*Official* England in South Africa Thread

[Jono]

To be fair to Amla, you can't blame him for the 4th Test!

Rumour is that his awesome beard was the true cause for Smith's concussion.

 

[wpdavid]

To be fair to Amla, you can't blame him for the 4th Test!

I was being facetious! Which smilie would have been appropriate?

 

[Marius]

How is that ridiculous?

Can't have it both ways!

Why not? By playing in England under Kolpak, he is now being restricted in SA by having to play as an overseas player. Surely this is restraint of trade, and a violation of his rights? I see no reason why if English counties are prepared to let foreigners play for them, why can SA not let them play as local players here. I think the UCB should say that any SA-born player playing in England as a local, he should be allowed to play in SA as a local too. Who could stop that, unless the ICC has some regulation governing that?

 

[Neil Pickup]

Simple: You can't be a local of two countries.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

These are the kind of guys we need in SA cricket, not whining babies like Kevin Pietersen (I can't make the Natal team, because Goolam Bodi is better than me, let me emigrate). ******.

Goolam Bodi is rotting in South African domestic cricket while Pietersen is playing for England. So maybe Pietersen had a valid point when he left?

 

[Gangster]

Goolam Bodi is rotting in South African domestic cricket while Pietersen is playing for England. So maybe Pietersen had a valid point when he left?

Haha, in case you didn't realize this, England's ODI team is crap. Their test team is quality but Pietersen hasn't quite made that yet now has he? I reckon I'd open the batting for England with my old buddy Vikky Solanki.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Haha, in case you didn't realize this, England's ODI team is crap. Their test team is quality but Pietersen hasn't quite made that yet now has he?

Not necessarily because he's not good enough though, but rather that there's no room for him yet.

 

[superkingdave]

Haha, in case you didn't realize this, England's ODI team is crap. Their test team is quality but Pietersen hasn't quite made that yet now has he? I reckon I'd open the batting for England with my old buddy Vikky Solanki.

I wouldn't quite say they were crap, inconsistent yes, dependant on one or two key players yes, but not crap.

The ODI series in SA will be quite interesting, lets not forget England won the Natwest Series against SA quite convincingly, but the predicted abscence of Flintoff and Harmison might heavily weight it SA's way

 

[Pratters]

Not exactly plum, but out in my books.

Yes if it was plum, there would be no questions asked obviously. It was out in your books. According to me, it could have been out but it very well could have missed the stumps as well. Two people entitled to different perspectives on it as are umpires even some times as shown by the example of Hair given earlier.

As for Marc, his comment was too deep to garner a proper reply.

 

[SpeedKing]

what wud the england team be without freddie and harmie
1.tres
2.solanki
3.vaughn(sp.)
4.strauss
5.petersen
6.collingwood
7.G. jones
8.giles
9.wharf
10.jones
11.Gough

 

[SpeedKing]

feel free to point out any possible changes

 

[superkingdave]

what wud the england team be without freddie and harmie
1.tres
2.solanki
3.vaughn(sp.)
4.strauss
5.petersen
6.collingwood
7.G. jones
8.giles
9.wharf
10.jones
11.Gough

i would prefer Bell in there for Solanki (another bowling option as well)

 

[BoyBrumby]

Why not? By playing in England under Kolpak, he is now being restricted in SA by having to play as an overseas player. Surely this is restraint of trade, and a violation of his rights? I see no reason why if English counties are prepared to let foreigners play for them, why can SA not let them play as local players here. I think the UCB should say that any SA-born player playing in England as a local, he should be allowed to play in SA as a local too. Who could stop that, unless the ICC has some regulation governing that?

I don't know much about SA employment law, but I do know that Kolpaks being unavailable to their national teams hasn't been tested in law in Europe yet. I don't know if it's an actual ECB rule or merely a tacit understanding, but I'd be 99% certain it isn't legally sustainable. If a UK or European passport holding player (say Law or Scuderi) decided they wanted to play for Oz after all (however distant that possibility is) they would still have the right to play in the UK as a non-overseas player by virtue of that passport; the legal precedent the Kolpak case set was that players who hold passports from countries with trade agreements with the EU have the same employment rights.

I also think a lot of the counties are trying not to p1ss off the ECB too much at the moment tho, as the board provide the bulk of their income. I think it’s good PR-wise that bringing in Kolpaks adds something to the English cause. Kepler Wessels at Northants has said he thinks Johann Louw will bowl for England @ ODI level when he’s qualified.

 

[savill]

1. Tresco
2. Strauss
3. Vaughn
4. Bell
5. Pieterson
6. Collingwood
7. Jones
8. Giles
9. Wharf
10. Gough
11. Anderson/Ali

 

[savill]

There is obviously no real replacement for Flintoff. Playing 5 specialist bowlers would effect the strength of the batting enormously.

 

[superkingdave]

IIRC if a player (say Henderson) wants to go back and play for his country after playing in another country as a local, he has to serve the qualification period like Pietersen, Hick did in England, so he'd have to play for a few years in FC before he was eligible for the National Side. Thats the ICC rules

 

[BoyBrumby]

IIRC if a player (say Henderson) wants to go back and play for his country after playing in another country as a local, he has to serve the qualification period like Pietersen, Hick did in England, so he'd have to play for a few years in FC before he was eligible for the National Side. Thats the ICC rules

That's v probably true, as I said SA employment law isn't my field & nor are SA cricket eligibility rules!

What I'd be pretty certain about is that if an SA player came over & said "I'm a South African, I want to play for South Africa, but I'm here as a non-overseas player" he'd have a v strong case in European employment law if the ECB tried to stop a county employing him.

 

[SpeedKing]

1. Tresco
2. Strauss
3. Vaughn
4. Bell
5. Pieterson
6. Collingwood
7. Jones
8. Giles
9. Wharf
10. Gough
11. Anderson/Ali

In a change of heart, i quite like this team. however, i would have liked to have lewis instead of anderson/ali but he is not in th ODI team

 

[Tom Halsey]

O really it makes no difference because it had pitched?

The ball pitches at position x for a pace bowler as well as a spinner and hits a batsman at a specific place on his pad. A spinner has the ball deviating more than a swinger at a slower pace. So after hitting the pads, the ball is likely to deviate much more in case of a spinner. Assuming ofcourse that the ball has spin and movement in case of the spinner and pacer respectively.

In which case you misunderstood me.

If that had hit the batsman at the same place travelling at the same pace and angle, but a seamer was bowling, it would have been plumb.

 

[Pratters]

In which case you misunderstood me.

If that had hit the batsman at the same place travelling at the same pace and angle, but a seamer was bowling, it would have been plumb.

If it was essentially the same delivery then, it wouldnt be plumb for a pacer as it wouldnt for a spinner.