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***Official*** England in South Africa 2015/16
- Thread starter GIMH
- Start date
Finn is probably our best ODI bowler so he comes back in for Jordan. Rash and Willey are good bats at 8.
Stapel
International Regular
Well, I think his figured didn't really reflect his bowling today. Perhaps underused? There is something about having some variation and depth in the attack. And he is a truely excellent fielder.
Compton
International Debutant
I'm not a huge Jordan fan, but he bowled pretty well today. Would have bowled more if the pitch hadn't been as slow as it was. Plus he's an absolute beast fielder.
... I still think this England side have too many bowlers though.
Howe_zat
Audio File
Disagree completely, having options is really important these days. If someone bowls 10 overs it should be because they really should, not because they were forced to.
I think it's a double standard to recognise that teams will bat differently and bowl differently in ODIs compared to tests, but not recognise that team composition will be different as well. Depth in batting and bowling is much more important and fielding is vastly more important.
Jordan adds to all that, it will be in a very non-glamorous way when both Moeen and Stokes bowl well, but sometimes it is going to be his day.
Compare him to Ben Stokes for example, who basically everyone agrees should be part of the side. If Stokes bowls 5 overs for 30 runs then you don't question it, despite him averaging in the 20s with the bat, because you know how valuable he can be when he gets it right and he fields like a jet.
Jordan isn't as good as Stokes with the bat obviously, but he is part of a deep batting order that I think collectively gives England an advantage. All their big scores in the last year have come with some runs from the lower order (and made using the confidence that the batsmen above have in it). He is roughly as good with the ball, having taken five wicket hauls against Sri Lanka, and has produced overs like that super over against Pakistan which no one else in the England set up can do - we might need to call on him for some of that. He also fields like a jet, if anything his catching is even better than Stokes'. His catch to get rid of De Villiers today could well win us this match.
I don't think he is 100% safe in the team by all means, but I don't think I've seen an England cricketer get so much undeserved hate, and I think claims that he contributes nothing betray a real lack of thought into what goes into an ODI team. England have been criticized constantly in the past for not treating ODI cricket like the modern game it is - now that they are quite clearly doing that, let's give them some credit.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
English spinners were excellent today. 20 overs for 80 runs really put the brakes there. When your spinners perform in a 50 over game, it can set up the game beautifully for you.
Up to the batsmen now.
Up to the batsmen now.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Where's Miller?
Not sure why Morkel is playing when you have Rabada and Abbott in the side. Guy bowled tons and tons of overs in India and against England recently. You already broke Steyn, you want to break Morkel too?
Not sure why Morkel is playing when you have Rabada and Abbott in the side. Guy bowled tons and tons of overs in India and against England recently. You already broke Steyn, you want to break Morkel too?
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Only person to replace him with is Morris... and we would like to try win this one. Please don`t even mention de Lange.
20 runs short of where we would like to be, need to take 2 early wickets to have a chance often winning this, come on Rabada.....
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Where's Parnell?
And where's Miller in the middle? Would play him over Behardien or Roussou
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Miller never performed to full potential so was dropped, in favour of Rousseau... who is a really special talent, but has just not shown his potential, will be given more opportunity hopefully. Behardien has been a really good finisher and bowls accurate dibbly dobblies as part of our 5th bowler.
Parnell name is not to be mentioned.... even though he apparently is doing well domestically batting near the top of the order.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Lol I can understand that but to be fair, guy came back from injury, played one game against one of the tournament favourites and got smashed.
I am a bit more inclinded towards him because I saw two of his best performances, one in CT09 and one against Australia 2nd test 2014.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Abbott my boy 
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Thats the issue he has lots of potential, and he has been injury prone, but has played a number of T20/ODI stuff and between a few good performances has also bowled absolute dross. I would love him to get back in the team, a left arm swing bowler who could bat would give the SA team a whole new look....