***Official*** England in Pakistan

[What-A-Player]

As the Aussies learn't the hard way....you don't want to give KP a let off !!

Doesn't matter, Simon has a bullet in his hand (no idea where he got it from),so if pitch tampering doesn't work then the bullet is always there

 

[Pratters]

As the Aussies learn't the hard way....you don't want to give KP a let off !!

Pieterson has not really given a real chance till now. Bell was the guy whose stumping chance was missed.

 

[What-A-Player]

oops..my bad

So KP is let-off ' less

 

[SJS]

I honestly don't see there being a huge problem with a few steps on to the 'danger area'...which is what it usually is, just a step or two before the bowler gets off the pitch.

Dasa, the problem is not of a few steps, the problem is that if you dont make a law, it may not remain a few steps. How do you stop an entire battery of bowlers running onto the pitch in spike for 80 overs at a stretch?

I am exaggerating to make a point.

A law has to be made and once it is made it has to be implemented.

 

[Barney Rubble]

This bullet business is very worrying - God forbid one of the England batsmen was shot at.

As if this match could get any more controversial!

good innings from Bell and KP, they're both looking good now despite Bell's let-off and KP's very dodgy start.

 

[SJS]

I honestly don't see there being a huge problem with a few steps on to the 'danger area'...which is what it usually is, just a step or two before the bowler gets off the pitch.

I have heard it said similarly that whats the harm if a bowler oversteps by a couple of inches. That too misses the point in exactly the same manner.

It is not a question of two inches but you have to draw a line somewhere. Wherever you draw the lene, that will become the boundary and that is where everyone will be allowed to bowl upto and from ..

...and a violation beyond THAT line, another fraction of an inch again will have to be outlawed !

I am done with the subject.

 

[Dasa]

Dasa, the problem is not of a few steps, the problem is that if you dont make a law, it may not remain a few steps. How do you stop an entire battery of bowlers running onto the pitch in spike for 80 overs at a stretch?

I am exaggerating to make a point.

A law has to be made and once it is made it has to be implemented.

Yes that is true. However, it seems to me that in the recent past umpires have been far harsher than previously...obviously there needs to be a law, but perhaps it could be less stringent, or umpires need to be less heavy-handed. I remember last year there was a case where Bowden disallowed a run from Hussey because he ran down the pitch only for a couple of steps before making a conscious (and successful)effort to get off the 'danger area '- this is what I mean where umpires are much too harsh on such incidents.

 

[Barney Rubble]

KP and Bell on level scores despite KP having faced 57 fewer balls, hehe.

 

[Dasa]

I have heard it said similarly that whats the harm if a bowler oversteps by a couple of inches. That too misses the point in exactly the same manner.

It is not a question of two inches but you have to draw a line somewhere. Wherever you draw the lene, that will become the boundary and that is where everyone will be allowed to bowl upto and from ..

...and a violation beyond THAT line, another fraction of an inch again will have to be outlawed !

I am done with the subject.

But in the case of a no-ball, it is clear where the line is...which isn't the case with the 'danger area'. Perhaps a line should be painted on the pitch indicating the 'danger area', or something similar.

 

[ClownSymonds]

Am I the only one here who hates "Belly" with a passion?

 

[Pratters]

Am I the only one here who hates "Belly" with a passion?

Yes. Any Poms you like clowny?

 

[parttimer]

Am I the only one here who hates "Belly" with a passion?

Yes.

Any audio pples.. i'm goin nuts ere

 

[ClownSymonds]

Yes. Any Poms you like clowny?

No. But I think Flintoff and Harmison are ok.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Am I the only one here who hates "Belly" with a passion?

Why, exactly? He's done nothing wrong. I mean for Pete's sake, he did more for your attempts to win the Ashes than most of your players, I'd have thought you'd like him.

 

[SJS]

Yes that is true. However, it seems to me that in the recent past umpires have been far harsher than previously...obviously there needs to be a law, but perhaps it could be less stringent, or umpires need to be less heavy-handed. I remember last year there was a case where Bowden disallowed a run from Hussey because he ran down the pitch only for a couple of steps before making a conscious (and successful)effort to get off the 'danger area '- this is what I mean where umpires are much too harsh on such incidents.

Yes you have a point there.

It can be very harshly interpreted.

I think if instead of barring the bowler after two warnings, something involving talking to the fielding captain and asking him to take necessary steps, caution his bowler etc was introduced it would give players a better chance otherwise they may suffer for a minor inadvertant error.

For certain types of bowlers, it can be tough because of where(in relation to the stumps at the bowling end) they are bowling from and whether they are right or left handed.

The captains of international teams do have a voice in bringing such issues to the ICC technical committee and if they did, it would should be looked into.

A left arm bowler, bowling round the stumps, from very close to the stumps, to a left handed batsman and trying to pitch outside his off stump would find it very difficult to avoid the violation. Its tough , yes.

 

[Barney Rubble]

No. But I think Flintoff and Harmison are ok.

It must kill you that your beloved Symonds was born here, eh?

 

[Pratters]

Why, exactly?

He is a Pom. And clowny hates all poms.

 

[SJS]

But in the case of a no-ball, it is clear where the line is...which isn't the case with the 'danger area'. Perhaps a line should be painted on the pitch indicating the 'danger area', or something similar.

Yes that's a good one.

It has been suggested in connection with LBW decisions, to make it easier for umpires to determine where the ball pitched but there are many opinions against that, including that it would make things easier for the batsman as far as judging the line is concerned

 

[Dasa]

Yes that's a good one.

It has been suggested in connection with LBW decisions, to make it easier for umpires to determine where the ball pitched but there are many opinions against that, including that it would make things easier for the batsman as far as judging the line is concerned

It certainly does make it easer for the batsman to judge line...down at the cricket nets where I sometimes go for net sessions (Melbourne Cricket Centre) they have three lines going the length of the pitch on the artificial surface - it makes it a lot easier for me!

 

[Pratters]

100 partnership. This match is building up really well.