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***Official*** England in Pakistan

SpeedKing

U19 Vice-Captain
I am supporting England and do not intend to make any of our players look stupid but when Simon jones was interviewed at the Academy where he is being repaired, he did predict 3-0. I have to admit i wasn't far of his radar either.
 

chris.hinton

International Captain
Our Spinners cannot Bowl the way Giles and Udal bowled to Afridi was a joke, And Who said that bell should be banned which Pakistan test star?

Pot calling the kettle black as regarding to Cheating
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Just 41 more runs (assuming he doesn't get dismissed in the meantime - so it's already pie in the sky) and Collingwood makes it to 20 batting average.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
Just 41 more runs (assuming he doesn't get dismissed in the meantime - so it's already pie in the sky) and Collingwood makes it to 20 batting average.
The difference is one is playing in their 52nd Test, whilst the other has played in 4 Tests and had an even worse start in one-day international cricket before he performed... I think your Warwickshire bias trumps my supposed Durham bias by a considerable margin.
 

Mecnun

U19 Debutant
chris.hinton said:
Our Spinners cannot Bowl the way Giles and Udal bowled to Afridi was a joke, And Who said that bell should be banned which Pakistan test star?

Pot calling the kettle black as regarding to Cheating
I think it was Rashid Latif but do'nt quote me as I havent read what he has to say. Rashid Latif was banned for exactly the same thing so he may be justified in making that statement.

As for pots and kettles what exactly do you mean?
 

Mecnun

U19 Debutant
Shouldn't the umpires call them if they chuck as was the case? It is umpire's duty to do this and it was done. It's not like PCB hasnt wasted money sending both of them to aus and SA to correct their actions. If there is a relapse in middle of the game then there is not much the mgmt or captian can do. The only people who can are umpires and match referree. Not like these two are the only chuckers in the world either is it. Calling it cheating is not accurate as most probably it is not a deliberate act. Some other things can be deliberate though like Bell's catch but again I do not blame him as he may well have thought he caught it (it can happen when adrenalin is rushing and things are hot) but the umpires who should have consulted the available technology at the disposal of the 3rd umpire.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Mecnun said:
Shouldn't the umpires call them if they chuck as was the case? It is umpire's duty to do this and it was done. It's not like PCB hasnt wasted money sending both of them to aus and SA to correct their actions. If there is a relapse in middle of the game then there is not much the mgmt or captian can do. The only people who can are umpires and match referree. Not like these two are the only chuckers in the world either is it. Calling it cheating is not accurate as most probably it is not a deliberate act. Some other things can be deliberate though like Bell's catch but again I do not blame him as he may well have thought he caught it (it can happen when adrenalin is rushing and things are hot) but the umpires who should have consulted the available technology at the disposal of the 3rd umpire.
When did you think that Bell hadn't made the catch?
Answer - when you saw it in slow motion, I'd wager, same as me.

The umpires were not in a position to call for the third umpire under the regulations because at least one of the umpires was not unsighted.

Regarding the umpires calling bowlers for throwing, that now only applies if they are on a warning, as is now the case. Before they were reported after the first test, that wasn't the case. Now they can, and if either bowler is reported again, then it's an automatic one year suspension (I think).
 

Mecnun

U19 Debutant
luckyeddie said:
When did you think that Bell hadn't made the catch?
Answer - when you saw it in slow motion, I'd wager, same as me.

The umpires were not in a position to call for the third umpire under the regulations because at least one of the umpires was not unsighted.

Regarding the umpires calling bowlers for throwing, that now only applies if they are on a warning, as is now the case. Before they were reported after the first test, that wasn't the case. Now they can, and if either bowler is reported again, then it's an automatic one year suspension (I think).
Actually I read about it first then saw it on the highlights. It was a leap of faith on Daryl H's behalf about his eye sight. If there was doubt on his mind then he should have consulted. Regulations can be and should be changed so that umpires can consult such close things. As a tradiotionalist I was opposed to this technology thing in the first place but now that it is there they should aim to use it.

As for chucking well there are a few chuckers in world cricket especially with their effort balls and it is up to the umpires to control the problem.
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
:@

Ian Botham is a cheat. During the first replay itself there was no doubt that the ball touched the ground and the 2 english commentators, including Botham, never brought it up. Just kept saying that it was a great catch. there was no way that Ian Bell could not have known that the ball didn;t touch the ground (twice at least).

What a joke. Where is the ICC punsihment ??

This sucks... :wacko:
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
Too bad Botham et al have no class..None. They kept saying well it "looked" like a catch. Just hogwash. They can at least have the class to say that it was a 'mistake'. :@
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Mecnun said:
Actually I read about it first then saw it on the highlights. It was a leap of faith on Daryl H's behalf about his eye sight. If there was doubt on his mind then he should have consulted.
Not under the rules he couldn't have done.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
JustTool said:
there was no way that Ian Bell could not have known that the ball didn;t touch the ground (twice at least).
I'd say that of everyone on the ground Bell was worst placed of anyone to know it.

The catcher doesn't know for sure on the tight calls.
 

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