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***Official*** England in Pakistan
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Sanz
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Did any of you guys read this piece on Cricinfo ?
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In just over three weeks, England will begin their Test campaign in Pakistan, where they will be subjected to plenty of quality spin bowling. Pakistan do have reasonable fast-bowling resources as well, but with concerns of fitness, form and attitude hovering over many of them, spin might be a safer recourse. And the stats prove that subcontinental pitches and spin bowling has proved to be an irresistible combination to get at England's batsmen. Over the last 20 years, bowlers ranging from the inimitable Abdul Qadir to Iqbal Qasim to Saqlain Mushtaq have performed significantly better against England at home than against allcomers everywhere. Danish Kaneria is an exception - in 2000-01, his four wickets came at an exorbitant 54.25, but since those early days, Kaneria has come a long way, impressing many pundits in India and Australia. Chances are that average will come down significantly by the time England leave Pakistani shores.
England's struggle against Pak spin
Bowler Home Tests v Eng/ Wkts Average Career average
Abdul Qadir 9/ 61 19.56 32.80
Saqlain Mushtaq 3/ 18 23.94 29.83
Iqbal Qasim 6/ 20 26.40 28.11
Tauseef Ahmed 4/ 10 29.40 31.72
Other subcontinent spinners at home v England
Bowler Home Tests v Eng/ Wkts Average Career average
Muttiah Muralitharan 7/ 45 20.31 22.23
Anil Kumble 6/ 40 21.40 28.38
Harbhajan Singh 3/ 13 24.54 28.25
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In just over three weeks, England will begin their Test campaign in Pakistan, where they will be subjected to plenty of quality spin bowling. Pakistan do have reasonable fast-bowling resources as well, but with concerns of fitness, form and attitude hovering over many of them, spin might be a safer recourse. And the stats prove that subcontinental pitches and spin bowling has proved to be an irresistible combination to get at England's batsmen. Over the last 20 years, bowlers ranging from the inimitable Abdul Qadir to Iqbal Qasim to Saqlain Mushtaq have performed significantly better against England at home than against allcomers everywhere. Danish Kaneria is an exception - in 2000-01, his four wickets came at an exorbitant 54.25, but since those early days, Kaneria has come a long way, impressing many pundits in India and Australia. Chances are that average will come down significantly by the time England leave Pakistani shores.
England's struggle against Pak spin
Bowler Home Tests v Eng/ Wkts Average Career average
Abdul Qadir 9/ 61 19.56 32.80
Saqlain Mushtaq 3/ 18 23.94 29.83
Iqbal Qasim 6/ 20 26.40 28.11
Tauseef Ahmed 4/ 10 29.40 31.72
Other subcontinent spinners at home v England
Bowler Home Tests v Eng/ Wkts Average Career average
Muttiah Muralitharan 7/ 45 20.31 22.23
Anil Kumble 6/ 40 21.40 28.38
Harbhajan Singh 3/ 13 24.54 28.25
GladiatrsInBlue
Banned
IN an interesting development, Pakistan have named 5 leg spinners in its squad of 25 players for the comming series.They happen to be,
Kaneria, Mushtaq, Imran Tahir, Masoor Amjad and Afridi.
Austrlai didn't go with two champion leg spinners against England (which i think was a blunder and a great unjustice to Mcgill
) but Pakistan is certain to go with two leg spinners against England.
I think Danish is likely to come good, will be intersing to see as to how the other leggie performs against england
Kaneria, Mushtaq, Imran Tahir, Masoor Amjad and Afridi.
Austrlai didn't go with two champion leg spinners against England (which i think was a blunder and a great unjustice to Mcgill
) but Pakistan is certain to go with two leg spinners against England.I think Danish is likely to come good, will be intersing to see as to how the other leggie performs against england
FaaipDeOiad
Hall of Fame Member
Asim Kamal surely has to be picked. He's terminally underrated.
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GladiatrsInBlue said:IN an interesting development, Pakistan have named 5 leg spinners in its squad of 25 players for the comming series.They happen to be,
Kaneria, Mushtaq, Imran Tahir, Masoor Amjad and Afridi.
Austrlai didn't go with two champion leg spinners against England (which i think was a blunder and a great unjustice to Mcgill
I think Danish is likely to come good, will be intersing to see as to how the other leggie performs against england[/QUOT
If you believe Danish, he's good enough to win it on his own now.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Put Asim Kamal at 6. I really don't know why anyone can even think of leaving him out. The guy has the potential to be the Graham Thorpe of Pakistan, and can complement guys like Younis, Yo Yo and Inzy really well in the middle order, and play with the tail and take them to good scores.venomous said:
Shoaib
Banned
Mansoor Amjad &Imran Tahir r leg spinners with more potential than Kaneria & Mushtaq but they r still too young to play for Pakistan National Side.Tariq Mahmood(an off spinner with bowling action identical to that of legendary Muttiah Muralitharan but with less elbow flex as compared to him) is also one of the bowlers with whom we have lot of expectations in the future.Pratyush said:
Pedro Delgado
International Debutant
That's because they only have one champion leg-spinner, regardless of MacGill walking into pretty much every other side in the world. If Pak make the mistake of picking moribund players who happen to bowl leg-spin (and I am not saying they're all moribund) and hoping that Englishmen will get out to them for a laugh, they'll have another thing coming.GladiatrsInBlue said:IN an interesting development, Pakistan have named 5 leg spinners in its squad of 25 players for the comming series.They happen to be,
Kaneria, Mushtaq, Imran Tahir, Masoor Amjad and Afridi.
Austrlai didn't go with two champion leg spinners against England (which i think was a blunder and a great unjustice to Mcgill
I think Danish is likely to come good, will be intersing to see as to how the other leggie performs against england
GladiatrsInBlue
Banned
Mcgill has proved time and gain that he's a match winner, and in an Australian team missing McGrath and out of sorts Jason, McGill should have been in the team.Pedro Delgado said:
Can't say how good Pak leggies are, Danish is good while Mustaq used to be good.Even if they don't try the rookies they still have the option of going with Afridi's quick spin.
I would go for,
Shoaib Malik
Imran Farhat
Younis Khan
INzamam
Youhanna
Asim Kamal
Kamran Akmal
Akhtar
Gul
Imran Tahir
Danish.
-- Farhat is inform batter so he should be preffered over Butt and Bazid.
-- Asim should be retained even though we know that Hasan Raza can't be ignored by Pakistan for long.
-- Akhtar should play only if he's fit, otherwise he should be replaced by Shabbir Ahmad.
-- IMran Tahir is uncapped but i prefer him over Mushtaq Ahmad, whome i think is past his best and won't pose much problem to English batsmen.
Shoaib Malik
Imran Farhat
Younis Khan
INzamam
Youhanna
Asim Kamal
Kamran Akmal
Akhtar
Gul
Imran Tahir
Danish.
-- Farhat is inform batter so he should be preffered over Butt and Bazid.
-- Asim should be retained even though we know that Hasan Raza can't be ignored by Pakistan for long.
-- Akhtar should play only if he's fit, otherwise he should be replaced by Shabbir Ahmad.
-- IMran Tahir is uncapped but i prefer him over Mushtaq Ahmad, whome i think is past his best and won't pose much problem to English batsmen.
