***Official*** England in Pakistan

[open365]

I do,KP looks something special to me.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

A players ability to play spin should only be brought into question after he's shown to be an exeptional/awful player of spin.

Does that even make sense? Or is it just an incredibly "captain obvious" statement?

A batsman's ability to play any kind of bowling should be questioned until he proves he is capable. Pietersen has handled a wonderful spinner well, but that doesn't mean he will automatically handle every other spinner as well.

 

[open365]

^Pietersen handled Mcgrath well,why don't we all question his ability against other pace bowlers?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

^Pietersen handled Mcgrath well,why don't we all question his ability against other pace bowlers?

The fact that some people aren't ready to call Pietersen an excellent batsman shows that they aren't convinced about his batting in general. That's not his fault though, as he can only play who he gets to face. With time he will prove himself.

 

[open365]

Fair enough.

i would agree with what you are saying for most other new players,but i think Pietersen is a class above
most batsmen.

 

[luckyeddie]

The fact that some people aren't ready to call Pietersen an excellent batsman shows that they aren't convinced about his batting in general. That's not his fault though, as he can only play who he gets to face. With time he will prove himself.

I've been accused by some on here of looking at the world through red, white and blue glasses (in Pietersen's case that ought to be red, white, blue, yellow, black, green, cyan, magenta, purple, orange, lemon, lime, strawberry, fields, forever glasses) but even I'm prepared to wait at least another year before I'm drawn any further than 'most exciting prospect I've seen in years'.

 

[simmy]

Fair enough.

i would agree with what you are saying for most other new players,but i think Pietersen is a class above
most batsmen.

Completely agree... really good to see a player in an England shirt with real pure talent and the willingness to express it.

He's an arrogant **** but I cant help but admire him for his attitude and ability.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Like Jimmy Adams forgot how to bat?

First 12 Tests: 1132 runs @ 87.00 - only Bradman was better through 12 Tests.
Test Average: 41.26

Moral? Don't count your monkeys before they hatch.

Those stats hide a big injury though, barring which he would undeniably finished off with a better average.

 

[open365]

^yeh,he's arrogant,but i think his arrognace helps him.

He's so self confident that he's willing to take people on even if it doesn't work soemtimes and if he gets out for a low score in both innings of a test match,i think he's the kind of person that will never question his ability at the highest level.

 

[superkingdave]

TBF last time he went to the SC he didn't do to bad for England A

147*, 31, 104, 115, 32, 94

 

[Woody_cloudofsm]

So you think that Pietersen is better than Laxman after 5 Tests? Considering that he's only faced 2 quality bowlers.

*stirs*

there is no one who is better than well maybe bradman than VVS

 

[PY]

*stirs*

You seem to be doing a lot of stirring at the moment....

I recommend this little effort:

 

[social]

the argument is that giles needs some assistance from the wicket to take wickets as opposed to a raging turner. and every pace bowlers needs some assistance either from the wicket or from the conditions to take wickets in test match cricket.

Tell that to bowlers of the highest quality e.g. McGrath

 

[steds]

KP looks something special to me.

Is it the hair?

 

[social]

which would be about as useless as comparing Jones to gillespie in that series.

No, before having an inexplicable loss of form, Gillespie had been performing for years in all conditions (reflected by test figures of 250 wickets @ 25). Jones, on the other hand, had the first decent series of his career.

Giles, apart from the odd performance in conditions made-to-order for him, averages 40 in test cricket. Warne is one of the world's greatest ever spinners.

The comparison is not valid in the first case because it may well be that both performances were nothing more than anomalies.

In the second case, the comparison is valid because their performances were representative of their entire careers.

 

[steds]

there is no one who is better than well maybe bradman than VVS

 

[social]

Barely? He was the leading run scorer!

Look up the name Vinod Kambli and then maybe you'll understand TEC's point.

 

[social]

If you have a brilliant test series against Australia then surely that proves something.

Ditto for Vinod Kambli

 

[luckyeddie]

No, before having an inexplicable loss of form, Gillespie had been performing for years in all conditions (reflected by test figures of 250 wickets @ 25). Jones, on the other hand, had the first decent series of his career.

Giles, apart from the odd performance in conditions made-to-order for him, averages 40 in test cricket. Warne is one of the world's greatest ever spinners.

The comparison is not valid in the first case because it may well be that both performances were nothing more than anomalies.

In the second case, the comparison is valid because their performances were representative of their entire careers.

You sound like those pathetic George Bush supporters who, five years into his dictatorship, respond to any criticism of his policies with the words "But Clinton...."

Any criticism of any Australian player brings forth the response "But Giles...."

 

[social]

You sound like those pathetic George Bush supporters who, five years into his dictatorship, respond to any criticism of his policies with the words "But Clinton...."

Any criticism of any Australian player brings forth the response "But Giles...."

LE,

if you havent read the relevant parts of the thread, there's not a lot of point in commenting.