***Official*** England in Pakistan

[tooextracool]

Not when you're just waiting for one which will seam a mile which on that pitch is inevitable sooner rather than later.

if a ball seams a mile its not going to get the outside edge anyways,and if you can cover the stumps, you'd be able to survive for a while. if i were a batsman id think id be more likely to play myself into form on a testing wicket than a wicket that offered nothing for the bowlers.

 

[Tom Halsey]

I didn't say I didn't want anything for the bowlers, for the last time! I said I wanted something for everyone.

 

[Pratters]

Do you think that England just shouldn't have bothered with any warm-up matches then? I don't think anyone really cares about who wins these games, so implying that that is the motivation for the complaint is just wrong.

Well the teams which play against visiting international teams wouldnt mind winning actually.

 

[Pratters]

Pitches like this should not be permitted in any cricket, period. Eighteen wickets should never fall on day one.

18 wickets falling on a day cannot always be assumed to be because of poor pitches.

 

[Pratters]

Exactly, and Pakistan have obviously gone out of their way to create pitches like this (to mess up England's preparations) which is why as I said earlier the ICC should step in. But of course they won't do anything and Steds will probably come up with some more irrelevant guff.

The home groundsman prepares the pitch if I am not wrong.

Also, I remember India toured South Africa and was given the slowest pitch in the country for the warm up game and then the fastest pitch in the first test match and they got skittled out for 100.

You dont get congenial pitches to get into form, get a lot of practise out in the middle in tours nowadays.

Ealier there were much more tour games. So the current teams do not get that much practise any way.

Face it it is TOUGH to win on tours, specially in alien conditions. Which is why it is always considered the bigger achievment winning abroad. Also, the teams which cope over these conditions become great.

Such is cricket.

 

[steds]

Pitches like this should not be permitted in any cricket, period. Eighteen wickets should never fall on day one.

How about 17? Bad pitch?

 

[Pratters]

Because it gave the Aussie batters and bowlers practice (although granted it was stupidly flat).

All we want is a proper cricket wicket with something in it for everyone, or at least something resembling the Test wicket.

Time in the middle yes. Practice as in preparing for pitches you are likely to encounter in the test matches? No.

 

[social]

18 wickets falling on a day cannot always be assumed to be because of poor pitches.

Exactly.

People moaned about the first pitch yet it was good enough for Trescothick to bat 6 hours on and record an unbeaten century.

Yesterday, 5 batsmen reached 20 but no-one recorded a significant score.

Match scores indicate difficult pitches but not impossible.

Rather than dredging up conspiracy theories, people should start looking at the English batsmen and question their commitment/preparation for these matches.

 

[Scaly piscine]

The home groundsman prepares the pitch if I am not wrong.

Also, I remember India toured South Africa and was given the slowest pitch in the country for the warm up game and then the fastest pitch in the first test match and they got skittled out for 100.

You dont get congenial pitches to get into form, get a lot of practise out in the middle in tours nowadays.

Ealier there were much more tour games. So the current teams do not get that much practise any way.

Face it it is TOUGH to win on tours, specially in alien conditions. Which is why it is always considered the bigger achievment winning abroad. Also, the teams which cope over these conditions become great.

Such is cricket.

These are sub-standard pitches, I'm not that bothered about them being different in nature to the Test pitch, it's the fact they've been deliberately made sub-standard that's the problem.

 

[tooextracool]

I didn't say I didn't want anything for the bowlers, for the last time! I said I wanted something for everyone.

seeing as how that happens so very often.....
thats an ideal wicket obviously, but why in the world should pakistan produce ideal wickets for england i dont know.

 

[Pratters]

The laws are quite clear on this. The umpires have the final say on the pitch. Also if the conditions or the pitch, ground etc are not dangerous it is playable.

In a test match in India vs England play was stopped and the match abandoned because the ball was bouncing so awkwardly that it could cause serious damage to the English batsmen. Hussain was right to protest and the umpires were right to stop play.

But if the pitch is not dangerous, and its within the laws what is the issue..

 

[tooextracool]

the issue is really that people have grown so used to seeing teams score 400+ in their first innings, that they cant bare to watch a game in which they struggle to get past 100. obviously if 17 wickets are lost in the first day it must not be a test quality wicket, yet when 400+ runs are scored on the first day its test cricket at its very best.....

 

[Pratters]

Clearly the pitch should not be allowed

 

[Sanz]

Classic case of 'POT Calling the Kettle black' .

 

[Dasa]

What's with all the whinging about the pitch? So what if it's seamer-friendly...it actually rewards batsmen who are willing to tough it out rather than all the flat track bullies we see everywhere these days. At any rate, the PCB shouldn't have to prepare pitches to allow the touring team to play themselves into form, which seems to be what some people are suggesting.

 

[Shoaib]

I know the psychology of English Nation.In the past, when their batsmen didn't have talent to play the reverse swingers of great Sarfaraz Nawaz & googlies of legendary Abdul Qadir,they used to blame umpires for being unfair with them.In 1992,when their batsmen had no answer to reverse swingers & yorkers of the two legends i.e Wasim & Waqar ,they started propogating through their media that the 2Ws r ball temperers (now in 2005,when their bowlers have disturbed many australian batsmen with the same art,they have been given the title of "great bowlers" by the same English media).In 2000,when their captain saw the series ending in no result,their captain accused Moin Khan to have intentionally slow down the over rate .Now in 2005,when they see their batsmen having no answer to the bowling of Yasir Arafat,Najaf Shah & Mohammad Asif,they r accusing us for preparing sub-standard pitches.I think every individual of the English Nation should write an application to the ICC that whichever country their cricket team visits,the pitches should be prepared according to their own wishes suiting their batsmen.

 

[sqwerty]

What's with all the whinging about the pitch? So what if it's seamer-friendly...it actually rewards batsmen who are willing to tough it out rather than all the flat track bullies we see everywhere these days. At any rate, the PCB shouldn't have to prepare pitches to allow the touring team to play themselves into form, which seems to be what some people are suggesting.

I mean if the poms think they have the best pace attack in the world why are they whinging about greentops???

 

[Sanz]

Andrew Strauss at the end of the day :-

"....we've played in conditions similar to this in England and abroad, and we should be good enough to react and score more than 120. There's no reason why we can't score runs on these wickets,...."


Hahahahaha...whinning POMs

 

[greg]

The laws are quite clear on this. The umpires have the final say on the pitch. Also if the conditions or the pitch, ground etc are not dangerous it is playable.

In a test match in India vs England play was stopped and the match abandoned because the ball was bouncing so awkwardly that it could cause serious damage to the English batsmen. Hussain was right to protest and the umpires were right to stop play.

But if the pitch is not dangerous, and its within the laws what is the issue..

Windies-England and Atherton.

 

[Pratters]

Windies-England and Atherton.

Yeah the first time I saw some thing like this happening actually. How did I forget it!