***Official*** England in Pakistan

[andyc]

To go slightly off topic here, I reckon it'll be 2-1 to England, with Pakistan winning one quite easily, but getting pretty much killed in the other two.

 

[wpdavid]

Pieterson

Harmison

Flintoff

Thanks for those. Regarding Harmison, it looks like Vaughan has been reading this thread recently.

 

[andyc]

Thanks for those. Regarding Harmison, it looks like Vaughan has been reading this thread recently.

If he does, then Michael, you should know I hate you

 

[Scaly piscine]

Tremlett has inevitably ruled out of the Tests, so I guess the 11th spot will be a fight between Udal, Loudon, Collingwood and Plunkett. My money is on Plunkett at the moment.

 

[Pothas]

I would go for Udal, he had a brilliant season and i tnink the 3 seamers and 2 spinners will make a very good atack

 

[The Baconator]

I don't know who it should be, but I reckon it'll be Udal.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I don't know who it should be, but I reckon it'll be Udal.

That'd be my guess too. I can't think we'd be taking a 36 year old along to gain experience alone!

 

[Barney Rubble]

Tremlett has inevitably ruled out of the Tests, so I guess the 11th spot will be a fight between Udal, Loudon, Collingwood and Plunkett. My money is on Plunkett at the moment.

What about Anderson? I see him as the favourite, surely - only S Jones from the first XI is injured, so Anderson becomes his logical replacement.

 

[marc71178]

AFAIK, isn't Udal basically going to be a like for like for Giles?

I expect we'll see Collingwood in now - especailly since they're cracking down on the 12th man thing...

 

[Scaly piscine]

What about Anderson? I see him as the favourite, surely - only S Jones from the first XI is injured, so Anderson becomes his logical replacement.

I forgot about him, but England might decide having Hoggard and Harmison as 9, 10, 11 a bit too much and do England really need 2 orthodox swing bowlers in Pakistan?

 

[Barney Rubble]

I forgot about him, but England might decide having Hoggard and Harmison as 9, 10, 11 a bit too much and do England really need 2 orthodox swing bowlers in Pakistan?

AFAIK, like-for-like is the best way to go - and Anderson is the closest thing to Jones we have out of the others.

 

[Tom Halsey]

we most certainly did not go in with the 2-2 split in india. craig white was always part of that attack and while he was completely past it with injury, he was still decent enough to keep one end tight and pose a threat.

Dawson and Giles were the 2 spinners, so while we may have had more than 2 pacers, we had 2 spinners.

 

[Tom Halsey]

That'd be my guess too. I can't think we'd be taking a 36 year old along to gain experience alone!

Well we took Croft to SL and he did very little.

 

[Scaly piscine]

AFAIK, like-for-like is the best way to go - and Anderson is the closest thing to Jones we have out of the others.

From what I remember of him he's an orthodox swing bowler - not really like for like, a reverse swing bowler is massively useful in Pakistan, an orthodox swing bowler isn't nearly as useful.

 

[superkingdave]

From what I remember of him he's an orthodox swing bowler - not really like for like, a reverse swing bowler is massively useful in Pakistan, an orthodox swing bowler isn't nearly as useful.

From what i've seen of him he has developed more variation this year.

 

[aussie]

well now that Tremlett is out Udal should play in the test & Plunkett will be in the ODI team perhaps...

 

[shaka]

afaik they did not replace Tremlett, so Udal and Plunkett have a better shot.

 

[tooextracool]

AFAIK, like-for-like is the best way to go - and Anderson is the closest thing to Jones we have out of the others.

there is no like-for-like replacement to jones. nobody comes close to bowling at nearly 90mph while getting the ball to swing conventionally and reverse. AFAIC the one bowler in all of england even remotely similar to Jones is flintoff.

 

[tooextracool]

Dawson and Giles were the 2 spinners, so while we may have had more than 2 pacers, we had 2 spinners.

thats besides the point. the point suggested was that we should go in with 2 pacers and spinners(+ collingwood) because we've done it successfully in the past. ideally england should go in with 3 pacers and 2 spinners.

 

[marc71178]

So which 2 spinners would you go for then tec - obviously Giles, but do you go for Loudon or Udal to support him?