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**Official** England in New Zealand

Lillian Thomson

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
England got out of jail in this Series partly due to the now fairly customer century early in their Test career by a new England wicketkeeper who probably won't last until next winter.
 
Dick Rockett

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Richard said:
I certainly don't feel he "got lucky" by any means - I'm fairly sure near enough every boundary, both four and six, came either off or very damn close to the middle of the bat, and might well have gone for the boundaries even on a better-shaped ground. Yet there's no disputing that someone who played that way - a good proportion, though not all, of the shots were simply swinging from the hip - won't score 77*, or even 20, all that often. If Southee wants to be a genuine lower-order batsman, he won't be able to by playing like that.
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Sounds fair enough, although I haven't given an opinion either way on Southee's future. I merely said his innings was more than lucky.

At any rate, I've seen too many spectacular debuts from NZ cricketers to get my hopes up too much. Mathew Sinclair is a case in point.
 
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Leslie1

U19 Captain
To be fair, Sinclair peaked in his debut (and a fine 200+ at that).

If Southee picked up a 10 wicket bag I'll be worried for his future. The fact that he had an auspicious start (not too out of depth but not too spectacular) means he can work on it.

Also take into account, he's a bowler. Look at Vettori. Only batsmen come under intense scrutiny. New Zealand bowlers only get dropped because of injuries.
 
Retox

Retox

State Vice-Captain
Leslie1 said:
Also take into account, he's a bowler. Look at Vettori. Only batsmen come under intense scrutiny. New Zealand bowlers only get dropped because of injuries.
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We could have dropped him for Wiseman.... All those years ago when he was in really bad form good idea

8-)
 
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Leslie1

U19 Captain
As bad as Wiseman has been, at least he turns the ball, thus can be called a spinner.

Vettori is Chris Harris disguised as a "class bowler" and talked up by commentators who commentate him.

He's a negative bowler, and a stock bowler who doesn't leak runs. Ask him to take wickets would be like asking Harris to be a world class dibbly dobbly.
 
Retox

Retox

State Vice-Captain
Leslie1 said:
As bad as Wiseman has been, at least he turns the ball, thus can be called a spinner.

Vettori is Chris Harris disguised as a "class bowler" and talked up by commentators who commentate him.

He's a negative bowler, and a stock bowler who doesn't leak runs. Ask him to take wickets would be like asking Harris to be a world class dibbly dobbly.
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Wiseman was never a big spinner of the ball anyway. 25tests 45 wickets at 47. Happy we have Patel now.
 
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