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**Official** England in New Zealand 28 Nov-18 Dec 2024 - 3 Tests

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Our fielding has been on a steady decline ever since Stead took over as coach. Prior to that we’d been one of the top couple of fielding teams in the world dating back to Rixon’s time in charge.
This is an overly simplistic take. The fielding was excellent for several years after Stead came on board. We had the highest catching percentage of any team during the first WTC.

Having said that, with something as fundamental as catching, Stead absolutely wears any decline in standards, and the fact that this has clearly been a problem for a while and is getting worse is absolutely another black mark against him.
 

The Hutt Rec

International Vice-Captain
This is an overly simplistic take. The fielding was excellent for several years after Stead came on board. We had the highest catching percentage of any team during the first WTC.

Having said that, with something as fundamental as catching, Stead absolutely wears any decline in standards, and the fact that this has clearly been a problem for a while and is getting worse is absolutely another black mark against him.
Ok sorry.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
You can take more catches but on tracks that turn into flat decks from day 2 onwards and stay that way across the test, NZ will struggle to beat Eng like Jun 2022.
Don't think this deck ever turned into too much of a road tbh. Was always a bit of seam movement there during the first 3 days. The fact that Brook kept offering more chances no matter how long he stayed at the crease is a testament to that I think. We were also just starting to get a bit of uneven bounce on days 3 and 4. In the 4th innings it looked very easy for England to just go out and clobber it, but they would've had to play it differently if they were 50/2 chasing 350 instead of 100.
 

Skyliner

State Captain
I think if you were constantly being given extra lives then you’d think ‘it’s clearly my day’ and just throw caution to the wind. If you are in ultra-attacking mode and not so worried about playing judicious and well controlled shots then you will offer chances. Brook played in a manner in which he offered chances without the pitch necessarily being a major factor, and those chances keep being spurned.
The catching could be evidence of a more hesitant and unsettled mindset from the BC’s, in that they were uncomfortable with the increased expectations upon them after India and uncomfortable being lukewarm favourites.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
You can take more catches but on tracks that turn into flat decks from day 2 onwards and stay that way across the test, NZ will struggle to beat Eng like Jun 2022.
Brook was first dropped on 18. If the catch is taken that's 153 runs not scored by him and who knows what the flow-on effect would've been.

Regardless England would've been 77/5 and still 271 behind - a completely different game.

That's just one dropped catch!
 

Skyliner

State Captain
Brook was first dropped on 18. If the catch is taken that's 153 runs not scored by him and who knows what the flow-on effect would've been.

Regardless England would've been 77/5 and still 271 behind - a completely different game.

That's just one dropped catch!
Exactly right. That catch should always be taken at this level.
GP does this thing now where he’s backpeddaling or off-balance when taking dolly catches now, he did the same thing off the bowling of Santner in Sri Lankan. His ‘leaping salmon‘ and outfield catches he gets right more often then not, but he muffed that simple catch to dismiss Brook for 18 because he didn’t have a stable base, he was needlessly ‘on the move’.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Latham says Blundell is ‘just one innings away from rediscovering his form’.
Yeah well he also said the following three times in slightly different ways:

"On a different day, catches go to hand and things might be different, but that's the sport we play"

Which is ignoring the fact that over multiple days we dropped so many catches everyone lost count, and that in 2024 we've dropped 1 in 4 chances which is slightly better than Bangladesh but no one else.

That is atrocious, and Latham being all milquetoast about it is a good reason to never take seriously a single word he says, or to forbid him from speaking again ever.
 
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HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I mean what's he gonna say "Nah he's cooked, get rid of him"

Teammates should never bag teammates in the media
Absolutely, but he doesn’t have to say some wholly inane instead. Something along the lines of we’re all going to be working hard blah blah blah would be similarly supportive without being quite so vacuous.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Absolutely, but he doesn’t have to say some wholly inane instead. Something along the lines of we’re all going to be working hard blah blah blah would be similarly supportive without being quite so vacuous.
It beats me why they even bother with this mealy-mouthed stuff. It would be more satisfying and enlightening if he just stood there eating handfuls of paste straight out of the jar.

I've been saying it like a broken record but if they can't be bothered to act like they care then why should the audience?
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Overall NZ's performance lines up pretty well with the general trend down in performance up to the thrashing by Sri Lanka - as a team of (some genuine transition pains aside) pretty good players not at their peak and doing a lot of basics wrong. This was like a home sequel to the second test in Galle.

There's just that genuinely incomprehensible clean sweep in India - the toughest country to tour in the world - in between times :wacko:.

It leaves you shaking your head a little.

Eh, let's hope we turn it around next test.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
Latham when asked about the catching: “look, I don’t think it’s something that needs work”.
It goes beyond needing work. More like a class: "Okay boys, now this here is the cricket ball. You need to grab it out of the air before - and I can't stress this enough - before it touches the ground. If you do that, the guy in all the weird armour has to go away. Isn't that great?"
 

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