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***Official*** England in New Zealand 2018

Zinzan

Zinzan

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_Ed_ said:
That's a shame - the last day of our test was bloody superb and shouldn't be so overlooked.
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Not the worst for England though is it? Get absolutely pantsed in 3 days, only to find their own media more indulged in Australia's shenanigans.
 
Senile Sentry

Senile Sentry

International Debutant
straw man said:
Moeen seems like someone who has completely lost his mojo and just needs to go home and lick his wounds. Occasionally a player is playing so badly that it's almost a favour to drop them. Moeen seems like he's in that spot right now - give him time and he'll probably come back stronger next season.

England's bowling certainly is samey and will look awful when Anderson retires, unless a new strike bowler appears from somewhere. That said I wouldn't discard Woakes quite yet - to me he looks no worse than Overton, Ball or Curran, but can bat. Roland-Jones also seems a similar style of bowler. Woakes has also demonstrated he's quite smart in the way he's turned himself into an effective ODI bowler. Perhaps he can do better in tests with more focus on that discipline. He's not the missing strike bowler England need, but neither are any of the above imo.
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Was he ever good playing away from home ? His career away average is 25 with the bat and 52 with the ball (38 and 33 at home). England seemingly are being sold a Rohit Sharma here.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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so i was reading cricinfo and..

Shane Jurgenson said:
And Wags (Neil Wagner), well Wags, he wears his heart on his sleeve - what you see on the field is a more toned-down version.
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what the **** is he like off the field??
 
Flem274*

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Just quietly, a certain starved dog has being taking his wickets at an average of 23 since the start of 2016 (17 tests, 80w @ 23).
 
Gremlin

Gremlin

U19 Vice-Captain
Hello all, not been around this forum for a while... have I missed anything of note in the World of cricket? :ph34r:

Blimey, England are woeful in the test arena currently but hard to see how things can change for the second test unless there is a bit of a re-jig of the order.

No idea what team would play, I'm long past second guessing Bayliss (I've not read the thread but I'm sure he has been suggested as ODI coach only going forward) and not sure if Stokes is able to bowl.... but assuming he is I think the following team may be an improvement on the last test

Cook
Stoneman
Bairstow
Root
Malan
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Leach

If Stokes can't bowl I don't see Foakes getting a start sadly.
 
Gnske

Gnske

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
SeamUp said:
What is happening in the world of cricket.

Cummins
Cremer
de Kock
Hardik
Kuldeep
Dickwella (By the way his close relations played recently for SA Futures XI - Dick and Dickman (PS how did no one see this at the time 17th Match, Futures League at Adelaide, Feb 19-22 2018 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo )
'BJ' Watling
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I remember seeing Dick and Dickman in that scorecard and I thought it must have been a grave error

There's no way SA have two players at u23s with those names, at the same time.
 
Immenso

Immenso

International Vice-Captain
Does anybody else think there is more to Wagner's bouncers than just:
- they're very accurate
- he's expert at trolling

I reckon he's maybe bowling cutter bouncers. Which would be very impressive to bowl 130kph bouncers while also rolling your fingers.

It seems to me that there is change in direction off the pitch. So a RHB may be lining up a defensive shot in front of his face but it is moving away to his gloves. Conversely a LHB has them coming back in at him.

But I'm also wondering if I am deceiving myself. There is no mention of this by commentators (Doull is a good bowling commentator who's watched him a lot, Cumming is his ex provincial captain). I don't recall any TV analysis of his release for his bouncers. Am I wrong here?
 
straw man

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
I'd say bouncers are more likely than other deliveries to get deviation from the pitch anyway, seeing as they're more into the wicket. He probably does vary it a bit but I think much of the movement would be natural variation.

Will have to watch his release closer next time to see.
 
NZTailender

NZTailender

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Immenso said:
Does anybody else think there is more to Wagner's bouncers than just:
- they're very accurate
- he's expert at trolling

I reckon he's maybe bowling cutter bouncers. Which would be very impressive to bowl 130kph bouncers while also rolling your fingers.

It seems to me that there is change in direction off the pitch. So a RHB may be lining up a defensive shot in front of his face but it is moving away to his gloves. Conversely a LHB has them coming back in at him.

But I'm also wondering if I am deceiving myself. There is no mention of this by commentators (Doull is a good bowling commentator who's watched him a lot, Cumming is his ex provincial captain). I don't recall any TV analysis of his release for his bouncers. Am I wrong here?
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I think he uses subtle variations of angle based on his crease position, with changes of pace. can't say I've noticed huge movements via cutters but I'm sure he works them in there.

Dude's got it down to an art form. People can write it off as a cheap trick but it continues to get results, and that's because there's more to it then running in and putting the ball halfway down the pitch - otherwise batsmen would just duck and pull him all day.
 
NZTailender

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
NZTailender said:
I think he uses subtle variations of angle based on his crease position, with changes of pace. can't say I've noticed huge movements via cutters but I'm sure he works them in there.

Dude's got it down to an art form. People can write it off as a cheap trick but it continues to get results, and that's because there's more to it then running in and putting the ball halfway down the pitch - otherwise batsmen would just duck and pull him all day.
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:naughty:
 
wellAlbidarned

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
I think it's accuracy, persistence, and the fact that letting a 130kph bloke bowl short at you feels like a blow to the ego for most batsmen so they take him on.
 
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