tooextracool
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the fact that he needs performances against nam and zim to improve his record would only make it more pathetic.twctopcat said:
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**Official** England in Namibia and Zimbabwe
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Craig
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The old dammed if you do and dammed if you don't rule.tooextracool said:
If you get runs against weak opposition (ie Nambia, Zimbabwe etc.), its "how the opposition is weak so of course you should get runs", but if you don't get runs it is "he's (insert name) not good enough".
So one bad game and he is declared a no-hoper.
Give him a break.
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Langeveldt
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He needs all the encouragement he can getCraig said:
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He bowled five overs, just didn't bat.PAKMAN said:
Scaly piscine
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Simon Jones definitely won't keep his place when Harmison and Flintoff come back (excluding injuries to other players). Jones is probably 2nd reserve on the bowling front, behind Anderson who's 1st reserve. This could all well change tho with 6 games left in this series to show what they can do, Wharf and Gough could easily swap places with them if they continue to plod away in a toothless manner.
tooextracool
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my point is not that hes a failure, im simply saying that if he failed in this entire series, you cant blame it on the fact that he was opening the batting given the quality of the bowling and the kind of wickets.....Craig said:
tooextracool
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i dont see any reason why wharf and anderson should play ahead of jonesScaly piscine said:
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I think if and when Anderson & Simon Jones get their form back they'll easily displace Wharf & Gough. The selectors' XI (without injuries etc.) would be at the moment:
Trescothick
Solanki
Vaughan
Strauss
Flintoff
Collingwood
G Jones
Giles
Wharf
Gough
Harmison
The weak links are Solanki, Wharf and Gough. I personally see the team evolving to something like this:
Trescothick
Vaughan
Strauss
Pietersen
Flintoff
Collingwood
G Jones
Giles
S Jones
Harmison
Anderson
This leaves a fairly long tail, but if ODIs go down to the tail-enders you've usually had it or it's the last couple of overs of an innings anyway. I'm not totally sure whether Vaughan would open or whether Strauss would end up doing it, but I figure you wouldn't want to move Strauss around too much since he does so well batting at 4 and Vaughan leaves a left hand right hand combo.
Trescothick
Solanki
Vaughan
Strauss
Flintoff
Collingwood
G Jones
Giles
Wharf
Gough
Harmison
The weak links are Solanki, Wharf and Gough. I personally see the team evolving to something like this:
Trescothick
Vaughan
Strauss
Pietersen
Flintoff
Collingwood
G Jones
Giles
S Jones
Harmison
Anderson
This leaves a fairly long tail, but if ODIs go down to the tail-enders you've usually had it or it's the last couple of overs of an innings anyway. I'm not totally sure whether Vaughan would open or whether Strauss would end up doing it, but I figure you wouldn't want to move Strauss around too much since he does so well batting at 4 and Vaughan leaves a left hand right hand combo.
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Based on?PAKMAN said:
Scaly piscine
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Good figures for Anderson... Hope he keeps it up and takes Gough's spot permanently.
wpdavid
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Yes, his county form is quite good, but he has rarely suggested he's good enough to make the step up. That being said his test stats after his one game were respectable enough, and I think he's still in the selectors' minds. He was initially called up for the ICC Trophy, IIRC, but then got injured, which has happened quite a lot over the last year or so.PAKMAN said:he (Kabir Ali) did quite good for his county dint he
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So did Ramprakash. And Hick. And Salisbury. And Ormond.PAKMAN said:he did quite good for his county dint he
wpdavid
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I'm not sure where that leaves us though. We can all quote duffers who didn't make the step up, but most the time ability to play at county level must be a precondition for international consideration, even if it doesn't guarantee success. And yes, I know Harmy was crap for Durham, but he was initially crap for England until Cooley got hold of him and then he spent that time with NUFC. The alternative seems to be pushing personal favourites or flavours on the month on the basis of "class" (whatever that means), "potential", or simply because some journo's have got on their bandwagons.Neil Pickup said:
As for KA, his biggest problem, apart from his fitness, is probably that his one appearance was in one of the worst England performances in living memory. Not entirely his fault, by any means - 5 wickets at 27.50 is OK on debut, even given the conditions. But I suspect that for some folks, he'll be associated with that game and he's just unlucky that the whole side was truly dreadful.