***Official*** England in India

[marc71178]

Jeez you're a hard man to please!!!

Blackie surely joins the "one-cap wonders" club after that. Looked totally out of his depth. It's funny how when some players actually become better players when they aren't playing, isn't it? I now find myself hankering for the golden days of Udal....

It was interesting listening to TMS and their take on the last hour or so.

One thing that was mentioned was that India did it to force England to use proper bowlers and tire them more (rather than letting Bell/Strauss/Cook fill in time)

Another was that if he'd been playing Giles would've been bowling.

 

[Pratters]

No you haven't done any of the sort.

All you've done is blindly defend a player by making up more and more bizarre reasons (such as around post 2185 where you attempt to equate the 2 completely different sets of circumstances to ask why a player who debuted 7 years after SRT hasn't had the same problem)

Oh and then a completely unrelated single incident involving a bowler.

Blah Blah.

If you can bring a point we can debate. I have shown the logic you tried to use to be quite unreasonable.

What do you do? You attack me saying I am trying blindly defend some one and fabricate.I repeat for the third time - where have I said street cricket = test cricket?

You have made up your mind. It is okay to have a different opinion but to start crapping on a player with illogical reasons like you are doing is weird. Funnily enough you accuse me of exactly the thing you are guilty of.

It reminds me of when I suggested 5 bowlers and I reasoned it out and you said that it was one of the most ludicrous reasons you have heard. Right, I notice the similarity.

 

[marc71178]

Big call. Must be 7 years since he played for us!

Thankfully.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Actually in the 5th day they have to bowl the 90 regardless of finishing time unless a draw is agreed (7 overs from the end) or the elements end play.

He corrected himself a few posts after.

 

[marc71178]

You have made up your mind. It is okay to have a different opinion but to start crapping on a player with illogical reasons like you are doing is weird. Funnily enough you accuse me of exactly the thing you are guilty of.

What is illogical about the fact he's been playing 16 years at the highest level has a major effect?

 

[Pratters]

What is illogical about the fact he's been playing 16 years at the highest level has a major effect?

Fact is players have played before shorter to have a major effect (Dean Headley) or longer with improvement (in terms of performance) or not the major effects.

So it is not necessary that a player has played long he will have a major effect.

 

[marc71178]

So how many players have played longer careers than SRT then?

And what has a bowler got to do with it?

 

[Langeveldt]

Darren Lehmann bowling > blackwell

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Id like to see Udal back for next test. Having a right and left arm spinner would be alot smarter than just 2 left armers.

 

[superkingdave]

Id like to see Udal back for next test. Having a right and left arm spinner would be alot smarter than just 2 left armers.

having a one armer would be smarter than playing blackwell

 

[Swervy]

Yeah this, along with Australia's batting on the 5th day against South Africa in Sydney when Smith declared is the easiest batting I've seen on a 5th day wicket in a long time.

I think Swervy got a bit too excited and expected India to crumble. You can talk all you like about Dravid being the key (and he did play beautifully as always) but he at least gave a chance which Geraint dropped. Jaffer was as solid as a rock!

I never expected India to crumble, but it was always a possibility because I dont think the Indian middle order is all that brilliant....Dravid is the absolute key to the Indian batting apart from Sehwag.

I was simply agreeing with the bookies, who had the draw as odd on fave, with England at 7/2 and India at 20/1 at the start of the day

 

[aussie]

Blackwell should be dropped for Mohali, it usually assist the seamers their so Plunkett should play instead of Udal.

 

[Pratters]

So how many players have played longer careers than SRT then?

And what has a bowler got to do with it?

Well Walsh(mentioned) for one played from 1984 till 2001. And he didn't do too badly did he.

Also very funny that you ask what this has to do with bowlers. One would imagine fast bowling takes more of a toll than batting.

Also it is very convenient of you to side track the age factor just because Tendulkar had it in him to make his debut much earlier than some other people. Inzamam, Lara are older than a Tendulkar and are playing quite well. Dismissing whatever we find convenient I see.

 

[Sanz]

My Team for the next test :-

Sehwag
Jaffer
Dravid
Yuvraj
Kaif
Dhoni
Kumble
Pathan
Munaf
Santh
Harbhajan.

Batting looks a little weak but hey bowling looks stronger.

 

[BoyBrumby]

My Team for the next test :-

Sehwag
Jaffer
Dravid
Yuvraj
Kaif
Dhoni
Kumble
Pathan
Munaf
Santh
Harbhajan.

Batting looks a little weak but hey bowling looks stronger.

No Sachin? Big call.

 

[Sanz]

Huge call, but IMO he shouldn't be in the team based on his current form. It will be unfare to drop Kaif ,who scored 91 and kind of saved India from defeat, for an out-of-form batsman.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I'd be delighted if he was dropped. I think that says more than statistics can.

 

[chicane]

well played england. missed much of the match, just barely caught the last half.

some predictions gone wrong -

hoggard will be smashed by sehwag

without trescothik, added to indifferent form, england batting will fail. collingwood cant play indian spinners

 

[marc71178]

Well Walsh(mentioned) for one played from 1984 till 2001. And he didn't do too badly did he.

He also didn't play anywhere near as much, especially ODIs

Also it is very convenient of you to side track the age factor just because Tendulkar had it in him to make his debut much earlier than some other people. Inzamam, Lara are older than a Tendulkar and are playing quite well. Dismissing whatever we find convenient I see.

No, because I have always had the same viewpoint - Lara and Inzamam are older, but haven't been playing as long - and that is a point I have been making for a long time now (in excess of 12 months) - so what am I dismissing there?

 

[TT Boy]

Blackwell should be dropped for Mohali, it usually assist the seamers their so Plunkett should play instead of Udal.

You just had to listen to Hoggard after the game, where he commented on the good performances of Harmison, Flintoff and Monty with the ball, with no admission or remark regarding Blackwell and Flintoff obviously doesn't fancy him, his gone.

Hopefully Plunkett can get over his injury because I wouldn't like to see James Anderson or Udal get a game.