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*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

JavaHurricane

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I can't relate to how dismissive of draws Stokes and co are. Draws can be far more honorable than throwing your bat around in a compromised cause but I suppose thinking a cause as compromised from the outset doesn't sit well with that camp.
To be frank, England already seemed to have given up on the game yesterday evening, Duckett's comments notwithstanding. Tom Hartley's sheepish smile after he got Patidar out, where he had previously celebrated such dismissals with atmost cheer, said as much. If there was any lingering hope, it was long buried by Lunch. First time England have been mentally defeated in a Test under Stokes, I guess: which also goes a long way in explaining England's batting in the fourth innings. No way Crawley, Duckett, etc. would otherwise have been content defending and scoring at 2 an over. They were all just physically and mentally spent by then, and seemed more interested in forgetting the debacle and resetting for the next game.

And as for draws in general: Stokes's dismissiveness may well originate in many of England's batters (i.e. Root and Stokes aside) not really having great defences. Duckett, for instance, was almost lbw to Ashwin in the last over on Day 2 when he tried a forward defensive for a change, and was out defending twice at Visakhapatnam. Crawley has previously openly stated that he doesn't care about the criticism of his defensive technique. Blockathons worked for South Africa because they had the batters for the job. England playing defensively today didn't last forty overs, and even if Root, Stokes and others hadn't got out sweeping, England still would likely have not reached Lunch tomorrow.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Stokes one was 4th test 4th innings from memory. Green smashed the stumps but thr bails didn't come off. Noise was so loud umpire thought it was an edge and gave stokes out caught initially.
Oh okay, in that sense. That happens.

I just hate to see a guy get given out when it's clipping 1/1000th of the leg stump, just because the umpire gave it out - especially when it's Dharmasena who gave it out because Bumrah roared at him enough. The on-field call should have been not out because he clearly had doubt that was erased by how vociferous the appeal was, and if he had made that call, Crawley would have survived. That's a sub-par system
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
If less than 50% of the ball actually hits the stumps, you're bowled. If umpires call goes away, they're all gonna be out.
Yeah, but I am told the reason umpire's call exists is margin of error of the technology. The 50% metric works better than the silly umpire's call based on the real time decision making of a less accurate system - ie human.

I don't get the second part, how they'd all be out? Crawley's wouldn't, under my system. Actually Root's wouldn't have, either.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
England playing defensively today didn't last forty overs, and even if Root, Stokes and others hadn't got out sweeping, England still would likely have not reached Lunch tomorrow.
It's OK to not be defensive and be a sitting duck, but England still need to evaluate how hard is too hard. Those two sweep shots Root and Bairstow played to be out were horrible. As obviously was Root's in the first innings. You can be aggressive and play the odds, as noted horse racing pundit and casino aficionado Baz would know.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Making Bumrah out to be some variant of Richards charging at the umpire is preposterous.
Is this directed at me? I never once said that. I said Bumrah roared loudly - which he is entitled to do. Dharmasena caved to it, or he seemed to given the time he took and how high/leg side it might have looked
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
this is just assumption after assumption

people here thought it was plumb on live
If they thought it was plumb then they need their eyes testing. It clearly wasn’t.

Dharmasena and Wilson was always likely to be a questionable pairing, so they proved.
 

Ashes81

State Vice-Captain
Both Crawley and Root's LBWs were poor decisions.

They didn't effect the outcome of the match of course but balls that are barely flicking the stumps should not be given out by DRS.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
If they thought it was plumb then they need their eyes testing. It clearly wasn’t.

Dharmasena and Wilson was always likely to be a questionable pairing, so they proved.
I agree. I didn't see it live but I did see it on highlights without knowing whether it was out or not (suppose subconsciously I knew in a 15-min highlights package it was) and it didn't look plumb to me at all with angle, new ball bounce etc.

It should be enough for the ICC to say hey, Joel Wilson's decision making really shouldn't be part of our technology strategy. A magic 8-ball may outperform Joel Wilson, get that to adjudicate for umpire's call instead
 

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Bazball or no Bazball, any team will find itself under pressure when their best batter is averaging 12 & another is averaging 18
 

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