*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

[Spark]

It's not the approach. It's doing really dumb shti that doesn't really need to be part of it.

He saw a long hop and tried to smash it. What exactly was "dumb" there? He simply played the shot really really badly.

 

[Andyhere]

Rohit should just continue with kuldeep at the one end. He has the rhythm, don't interrupt. Bring jadeja from Siraj's end.

 

[Kirkut]

The parade of terrible looking dismissals in this series continues

Natural byproduct of bazball.

 

[Spark]

Also gotta be said that given both of yesterday's dismissals were actually pretty normal, that bazball delivered England an overnight scored of 200/2 as opposed to 100 for 2 or more.

Obviously there's a limit though, and reverse scooping the best bowler in the world in the third over of the morning when the opposition have a weakened bowling lineup and the real threat should be coming from the spinners definitely crosses that line imo.

Yeah that was bad. But I'm baffled at the idea that the bloke on 152 trying to smash a long hop getting it wrong invalidates the whole theory; that takes a monomaniacal dedication to "the only way that counts is the traditional way, none of this new-fangled garbage" which is possibly the worst broadly held opinion in cricket right now.

Natural byproduct of bazball.

India are if anything more responsible for this than England.

 

[SteveNZ]

You're also not understanding. The entire, fundamental ethos of Bazball is that "mind games" are an evil and must be purged from the setup. Total mental clarity, total unquestioning support, no compromises. Start picking on Joe Root and the blokes who are half as good will be immediately worrying about their spots.

I don't agree with the other poster, but you mention mental clarity and that does need to be a fundamental of the way they play. I'd love to know how they can justify the mental clarity of Joe Root, probably the most skilled (or close) long form batsman in the world, playing reverse scoops. And this isn't hindsight I banged on about it all Ashes.

You also have to question the approach and what works/what doesn't along the way. If that shot isn't giving enough to pay off for that gash dismissal just now, which led to a mini collapse, then they should be smart enough to change it rather than 'thats just Joe'

 

[OverratedSanity]

The worst thing about bazball is some commentator's (DK in this case) unwillingness to criticize their batsmen when they play a braindead shot. Just because their approach has worked wonders overall doesn't mean every single thing they do is beyond reproach ffs. Roots shot was unforgivable, these ***** are so scared to say it.

And it also ignores the fact that most of the times bazball has worked its been controlled Aggression not mindless slogging and reverse laps over the slips.

 

[kyear2]

I wonder what happens after Stokes-McCullum. Does this style become the English way of playing cricket in the future or do they revert to something more sedate.

I don't mind aggression, and it's not new. Root's shot was nonsense though, especially against who it was.

 

[Spark]

I don't agree with the other poster, but you mention mental clarity and that does need to be a fundamental of the way they play. I'd love to know how they can justify the mental clarity of Joe Root, probably the most skilled (or close) long form batsman in the world, playing reverse scoops. And this isn't hindsight I banged on about it all Ashes.

You also have to question the approach and what works/what doesn't along the way. If that shot isn't giving enough to pay off for that gash dismissal just now, which led to a mini collapse, then they should be smart enough to change it rather than 'thats just Joe'

The logic has been explained before by both Root and other batsmen who like that shot - with a standard field the biggest gap is at third man. So getting it over the slips, if you execute the shot, is one of the most reliable run-scoring options available. In theory.

Now, should he be trying to play that at the start of the day against Bumrah, knowing that India's bowling will likely fall off after he's done? IMO no. But there is a logic to the shot.

 

[kyear2]

The worst thing about bazball is some commentator's (DK in this case) unwillingness to criticize their batsmen when they play a braindead shot. Just because their approach has worked wonders overall doesn't mean every single thing they do is beyond reproach ffs. Roots shot was unforgivable, these ****s are so scared to say it.

And it also ignores the fact that most of the times bazball has worked its been controlled Aggression not mindless slogging and reverse laps over the slips.

Everyone seems to miss the point that there is an in-between.

But gain nothing new, I recall Richardson falling into jook traps and I'm thinking to myself what the hell is he doing.

 

[ataraxia]

Root was out to Wagner the same way, wasn't he? Given both were full balls, there's a decent case for just aborting the shot if it's full IMO.

 

[Silver Silva]

You absolutely don't want to do this reverse psychology stuff with your best batsman.

He's averaging 15 for the series can't do much worse

 

[Arachnodouche]

Siraj is going to nip one. Getting it to go both ways.

 

[Kirkut]

I don't mind aggression, and it's not new. Root's shot was nonsense though, especially against who it was.

If that went for four or Root scored 40 ball 50, it would have been labeled as fearless cricket. That's just how bazball is, major rewards come with risks.

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

I don't agree with the other poster, but you mention mental clarity and that does need to be a fundamental of the way they play. I'd love to know how they can justify the mental clarity of Joe Root, probably the most skilled (or close) long form batsman in the world, playing reverse scoops. And this isn't hindsight I banged on about it all Ashes.

You also have to question the approach and what works/what doesn't along the way. If that shot isn't giving enough to pay off for that gash dismissal just now, which led to a mini collapse, then they should be smart enough to change it rather than 'thats just Joe'

Maybe same reason Root was not a very good captain. Skilled player but terrible at making decisions.

 

[Calm_profit]

Even Shahid Afridi won't play like this kind of shot the way Root played.

 

[SteveNZ]

The logic has been explained before by both Root and other batsmen who like that shot - with a standard field the biggest gap is at third man. So getting it over the slips, if you execute the shot, is one of the most reliable run-scoring options available. In theory.

Now, should he be trying to play that at the start of the day against Bumrah, knowing that India's bowling will likely fall off after he's done? IMO no. But there is a logic to the shot.

In theory. I watched the Ashes and he profited from it a couple of times but equally played and missed almost as much.

I respect the view you're coming at but this guy has 11000 runs that weren't scored backwards over the slips. I can't imagine doing it doesn't have some sort of effect on his technique and shot selection, and to my view - and others - his game has regressed under Baz. The numbers don't show it yet but it's heading that way

 

[Kirkut]

Siraj is going to nip one. Getting it to go both ways.

Siraj feels like Sami clone on normal days with occasional unplayable spells.

 

[SteveNZ]

Maybe same reason Root was not a very good captain. Skilled player but terrible at making decisions.

Looks that way to me for sure.

 

[Burgey]

It's not the approach. It's doing really dumb shti that doesn't really need to be part of it.

That is the approach though.

 

[kyear2]

If that went for four or Root scored 40 ball 50, it would have been labeled as fearless cricket. That's just how bazball is, major rewards come with risks.

I'm not a fan regardless though. I hardly even watch limited over cricket because it's become almost mindless slogging.Even watching Stokes coming down the wicket to drive after already hitting a boundary in the the over causes some anxiety.