***Official*** England in India 2016/17

[Sarun]

Does this mean that Yuvraj is booked for CT?

 

[theegyptian]

I actually think this is two excellent one-day teams going at it with India nudging marginally ahead. You cannot complain with an England which sets 350 or comes within 16 or so runs of chasing down 380 really. Hopefully England can get something from the dead rubber as 2-1 would seem the fair result for these two teams. The England One-Day team does not deserve the same level of criticism as the Test team.

India or England would be a good punt for the Champions' Trophy.

I dunnno. It feels like however many runs England score, India will always score more (in India). England have knocked over the top order twice now (through some good bowling and some sloppy indian batting) and yet India have still managed 350+. Plus these wickets were about as favourable to England as they get in India. They haven't played on a slow wicket yet.



I do think Jadeja has been excellent so far this series. or at least he's bowled well and England have given him a lot of respect. They've clearly decided to play him out and don't think they can get at him. Yes on second thoughts I don't know whether it's overcautious/lack of confidence of England or just he is that good.

 

[Furball]

morgan is my boi but his form has been very patchy and billings is such a gun, too good to be left out. i'd drop hales though before i dropped morgan for billings.the people calling for bairstow in place of morgan are the real weirdos.

Is it just me who thinks Root should be opening in ODIs?

 

[Adders]

I actually think this is two excellent one-day teams going at it with India nudging marginally ahead. You cannot complain with an England which sets 350 or comes within 16 or so runs of chasing down 380 really. Hopefully England can get something from the dead rubber as 2-1 would seem the fair result for these two teams. The England One-Day team does not deserve the same level of criticism as the Test team.

India or England would be a good punt for the Champions' Trophy.

Yeah I agree with this. Indias bowlers have the edge on ours which is the diference in the two sides, both batting line ups are equally formidable. I suspect in English conditions the situation may be reversed with our bowlers having that slight edge, so I have decent expectations for the CT.

 

[FBU]

So you're comparing players' stats from the past two years, where ODI scores have been higher by a distance than ever before, with one player's stats from the four years previous. Presumably they are also stats from the whole innings as opposed to the opening spells. All of those bowlers, Willey and Woakes especially, have been required to bowl at the death, which Jimmy rarely ever did.

I don't think stats are likely to tell the full story here. The point is, what we don't require as of this moment is yet another bowler who can start their spell economically, or like Willey take early wickets, before being useless in the middle and death overs, leaving the burden on the other four main bowlers. That's what Jimmy will do. He isn't what we need right now.

Anderson 152.2 overs at the death econ 7.17
Broad 101.2 overs econ 7.27
Woakes 66.0 overs econ 8.20
Willey 14.4 econ 8.04

Jordan 23.2 econ 9.51

 

[MW1304]

Anderson 152.2 overs at the death econ 7.17
Broad 101.2 overs econ 7.27
Woakes 66.0 overs econ 8.20
Willey 14.4 econ 8.04

Jordan 23.2 econ 9.51

Right, again, I presume those stats are his entire career right? From what 2003 until 2015? If you'd watched Jimmy in those last few years you would know for a fact that he was a terrible, terrible death bowler. Fantastic at the start of an innings (much like Willey and Woakes) but genuinely terrible at the death. No ridiculously skewed stats you can throw at me will change that fact.

You must be aware how much batting has changed in the last few years right? Have you watched ODI cricket? Scores have been ballooning across the world since the last World Cup, which you can't just put down to terrible bowlers since many of the same from the time before are still operating, as well as the fact that it's a worldwide trend.

Not to mention, I never even stated that the guys mentioned were particularly good death bowlers. Point out where I ever stated that. I am well aware our bowling attack is far from perfect, in fact I've specifically said on many occasions that we lack for death bowling and just versatile bowlers in general. Jimmy is not that, and please don't throw more stats at me without a perspective to back it up. Broad you could argue for but honestly he'd been regressing for years before he was last dropped, and will have to actually prove himself before earning a recall. He's had mixed results in the Big Bash, for instance, which I would argue is a decent stage with which to prove himself. Willey did really well there.

 

[Howe_zat]

Hales out with a broken hand, presumably Billings will come in.

No idea who they'll open with.

 

[harsh.ag]

Has to be Root.

 

[Bijed]

Didn't Billings open in the the last Bangladesh ODI and do well?

 

[YorksLanka]

Billings seems like a very good player from the admittedly limited amount I have seen of his game

 

[Prince EWS]

No idea who they'll open with.

None of Root, Billings or Moeen would be awful calls IMO. It is hard to guess who they'll go with though; I'd probably have my money on the straight swap.

 

[Jarquis]

Hope Billings absolutely guns it. Far too good a player to not be in the side.

 

[fredfertang]

I don't think I'm going to enjoy this - back to the decorating

 

[honestbharani]

Y.. they have begun well and this batting line up s worth watching even on their worst day.

 

[Shady Slim]

they're setting against a kohli team tho so that's an automatic L

 

[TT Boy]

Yeah, England’s batting so that’s a good watch. It’s the bowling which isn't, that’s when you get the roller out.

 

[Howe_zat]

Billings looks pants today.

 

[centurymaker]

England openers are batting so cluelessly..
Batting like club cricketers here
There have been 15 or so play and misses in 8 or so overs.. and majority of them by Billings, who is looking absolutely cr**.

 

[CricAddict]

England playing a four or dot game here..

 

[theegyptian]

England openers are batting so cluelessly..
Batting like club cricketers here
There have been 15 or so play and misses in 8 or so overs.. and majority of them by Billings, who is looking absolutely cr**.

England have done really well. Wickets doing all sorts.