*Official* England in Bangladesh Thread

[marc71178]

Ramprakash is definitely one to add to the list, no matter what anyone thinks of his "improvement" - Hick had a similar "improvement"

 

[Richard]

Ramprakash is definitely one to add to the list, no matter what anyone thinks of his "improvement" - Hick had a similar "improvement"

Hick had a period - the mid-90s - where he had a good Test spell.
His most recent 19 Test innings produced 1 half-century! Prior to that, he scored a century against Zimbabwe. Prior again to that, he scored 1 century (v Sri Lanka, in the Murali-16-wicket Test) and 2 half-centuries (v Australia) in 11 innings. The most recent series before that was against Pakistan in 1996, and that ended his good period.
I repeat: Ramprakash's MOST RECENT Test performances (when batting in his proper position) have been good except against New Zealand. That's probably just co-incidence - the important thing is 2 bad series out of 8.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Two centuries in 57 innings (his last 11 series)
AUS - H - 97 - 52 @ 26
WI - A - 97/8 - 266 @ 66.5
SA - H - 98 - 249 @ 31.12
SL - H - 98 - 95 @ 47.50
AUS - A - 98/9 - 379 @ 47.37
NZ - H - 99 - 127 @ 25.40
ZIM - H - 00 - 75 @ 25
WI - H - 00 - 20 @ 5
AUS - H - 318 @ 39.75
IND - A - 159 @ 31.80
NZ - A - 77 @ 15.40

OK - below avg, good, avg, good, good, below avg, below avg, dismal, avg, avg, poor

Good = 3
Average = 3
Below Average = 3
Poor = 1
Dismal = 1

So much failure - "proving" he doesn't have the guts for Tests for the most part.

His second innings average is 21.07 with 2 fifties in 40 knocks
Opening - 13.57
3 - 10.00 (11 times!)
4 - 24.00
5 - 34.90
6 - 32.56
7 - 20.00

Best stat of the lot: Never made a ton in an England win (22.15, 3x50)
Draws: 38.00, Losses: 25.95

Average only enters above Giles-territory on non-result pitches.

 

[marc71178]

I repeat: Ramprakash's MOST RECENT Test performances (when batting in his proper position) have been good except against New Zealand. That's probably just co-incidence - the important thing is 2 bad series out of 8.

I must question if you're watching the same England team as the rest of us at times.

 

[PY]

Interesting to see you gave Trescothick MOTM even though Hoggard took 6 for 13 in your match report Marc. Seems to me that Hoggard did the business.

 

[marc71178]

Interesting to see you gave Trescothick MOTM even though Hoggard took 6 for 13 in your match report Marc. Seems to me that Hoggard did the business.

Someone read it! Yay!

I was considering the fact that it doesn't seem to be a good wicket for batting from the scores, and it's as likely that one of the others may have done that if Hoggard didn't, and they'd had the chance.

Mind you, I was tempted by Clarke...

 

[Richard]

I must question if you're watching the same England team as the rest of us at times.

Whether I'm watching the same team I don't know (the one I'm thinking of played their most recent Test-match against South Africa - ring any bells?), but whether I am or not, facts are facts, and the fact is Ramprakash's average is what it is.
Whether we're watching the same team doesn't really matter.

 

[Richard]

Two centuries in 57 innings (his last 11 series)
AUS - H - 97 - 52 @ 26
WI - A - 97/8 - 266 @ 66.5
SA - H - 98 - 249 @ 31.12
SL - H - 98 - 95 @ 47.50
AUS - A - 98/9 - 379 @ 47.37
NZ - H - 99 - 127 @ 25.40
ZIM - H - 00 - 75 @ 25
WI - H - 00 - 20 @ 5
AUS - H - 318 @ 39.75
IND - A - 159 @ 31.80
NZ - A - 77 @ 15.40

OK - below avg, good, avg, good, good, below avg, below avg, dismal, avg, avg, poor

Good = 3
Average = 3
Below Average = 3
Poor = 1
Dismal = 1

The dismal and one of the below-average ones, remember, came when he was opening, and are you honestly saying you believe he can be blamed for failing when batting in a position which was clearly not the one he should have been occupying?

 

[marc71178]

Whether I'm watching the same team I don't know (the one I'm thinking of played their most recent Test-match against South Africa - ring any bells?), but whether I am or not, facts are facts, and the fact is Ramprakash's average is what it is.
Whether we're watching the same team doesn't really matter.

Well how come everyone else sees completely different things to you then?

 

[marc71178]

The dismal and one of the below-average ones, remember, came when he was opening, and are you honestly saying you believe he can be blamed for failing when batting in a position which was clearly not the one he should have been occupying?

In that case surely he can't be blamed for any of his performances since by playing he was batting in a position which was clearly not the one he should have been occupying!

 

[Richard]

In that case surely he can't be blamed for any of his performances since by playing he was batting in a position which was clearly not the one he should have been occupying!

Now do you really think that's sensible?

 

[Richard]

Well how come everyone else sees completely different things to you then?

Everyone else?
What base you on that idea?

 

[marc71178]

You are the only person who thinks Butcher should open, Hussain go in at 3 and Vaughan at 4.

 

[Richard]

You are the only person who thinks Butcher should open, Hussain go in at 3 and Vaughan at 4.

And that means I'm watching different cricket to everyone else?

 

[Rich2001]

And that means I'm watching different cricket to everyone else?

Marc - Richard would make a fine captain, at least he is thinking outside the box so to speak and trying things… rather than just sticking to the same thing in hope of somthing happening.

But I agree Marc the way Vaughan and Butcher have been batting lately, I can’t see any changes in the line up for a while yet.

 

[Richard]

Marc - Richard would make a fine captain, at least he is thinking outside the box so to speak and trying things… rather than just sticking to the same thing in hope of somthing happening.

But I agree Marc the way Vaughan and Butcher have been batting lately, I can’t see any changes in the line up for a while yet.

I would be amazed if anything happened in the next winter.
I simply hope it will happen someday, because I never thought it should have been changed in the first place. I'm not that unrealistic!
I thank you on your complimentation of my captaincy potential.:saint:

 

[marc71178]

I would be amazed if anything happened in the next winter.
I simply hope it will happen someday, because I never thought it should have been changed in the first place. I'm not that unrealistic!
I thank you on your complimentation of my captaincy potential.:saint:

How can you call something that only happened in 1 match due to an injury (in that Butcher opened) changed?

 

[Richard]

How can you call something that only happened in 1 match due to an injury (in that Butcher opened) changed?

My argument about Butcher isn't based on that Test - it's based on the series in India!
The point is, what has changed in Butcher isn't that he's batting in a different position, it's that he's a changed player from 1999\2000 to 2001!

 

[Neil Pickup]

Day one against Bangladesh A is dominated by a scintillating ton from Bangladesh U19 skipper Nafis Iqbal.

Clarke provided some more pie, Harmison took three, and Collingwood out-bowled Rikki.

 

[Craig]

I gather people dont rate Mr Clarke on here?