***Official*** DRS discussion thread

[Cevno]

Yeah, no evidence to overturn. Needs to be "Conclusive" according to the directives.

 

[benchmark00]

Hot spot is so ****.

UDRS is simply a joke without snicko.

 

[OMM!]

Both were out though. So job done.

 

[four_or_six]

The third umpire heard a sound, he gave it out, it was out. The end.

 

[Cevno]

How are people are sure it was out?

Both Snicko and the stump mic have picked up some minor weird noises in the past. And can't believe he heard more than a faint nick and also depends how boosted sound(can be boosted to anything, by the broadcasters) he got and what he construed it as.

 

[MW1304]

If that wasn't out then snicko never works, because it was a standard nick-type-sound right as the ball went past the bat - it looked like it was touching the bat, too, no daylight there.

 

[OMM!]

First replay Sky showed had a clear sound. I said that sounded out.

The immediate reactions of Dravid, Kieswetter and Broad suggested it was out.

Snicko suggests it was out, as bat was nowhere near pad and the sound was perfectly synced.

Only HotSpot and the lack of deviation suggest otherwise. But we've all seen for the last 12 months that HotSpot is incredibly flawed!

 

[NasserFan207]

Very odd situation, and the main issue is the consistency. Basically, UDRS has none of it atm, and it leaves people confused and unsure.

It needs a revamp.

 

[GIMH]

Ah Cevno's playing what if again. It could have been someone burping. A ghost might have made the noise. The batsman might have whipped his dick against the back of the bat.

 

[Top_Cat]

LOUD NOISES!

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[Cevno]

Very odd situation, and the main issue is the consistency. Basically, UDRS has none of it atm, and it leaves people confused and unsure.

It needs a revamp.

This tbh.

Basically without consistency the umpire could have made either decision in this occasion and not been conclusively wrong. And the broadcasters can influence the judgement too with the feed they provide. Because in South Africa not that long ago the opposite happened and some players,officials and others were complaining about no Hotspot and the UDRS being useless without it.

 

[Cevno]

Ah Cevno's playing what if again. It could have been someone burping. A ghost might have made the noise. The batsman might have whipped his dick against the back of the bat.

In the third test IIRC wrt Dravid himself there was a sound on the stump mic and Snicko with the ball being far away from the bat when it passed the bat.

 

[Raghav]

There was a nick, Dravid looks back at the keeper,,, broad appeals confidently!!!

The snicko tells there is an edge! The hot spot may not be true... but the 3rd umpire has the extra benefits of listening to the noise....

I dont see anypoint in creating this thread after today's dismissal of Dravid... There was an edge clearly .. lol... Don't make cricket complicated!

 

[GIMH]

In the third test IIRC wrt Dravid himself there was a sound on the stump mic and Snicko with the ball being far away from the bat when it passed the bat.

Yeah it was Dravid clipping his shoelace. What's your point?

 

[OMM!]

I have no problem with UDRS.

I don't agree with guessing. But in this case it was correct, so who cares?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Armchair heroes watching lower quality feed > professional watching higher quality feed.

 

[Cevno]

Yeah it was Dravid clipping his shoelace. What's your point?

Oh forgot!! about that. Further illustrates my point actually. He was given out on that occasion but did not review it as he was not sure.

There was one incident of the Stump Mic on which Snicko is reliant picking up some sound before that too in the 2nd test.

Found initial posts on it from the time -

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/2618377-post1353.html

Then there was the whole incident where we were told by the Broadcasters in the last test,that the Snicko can't be relied upon due to background noise and involving Dravid again(Though he said at the end that going with his instinct he thought it was out) -

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/2635161-post854.html


Also then there was the incident involving Laxman and the Vaselinegate where there was apparently some sort of sound, but no deviation or Hotspot and it wasn't overturned.


Clearly Snicko/Stump Mics and Hawkeye are both far from reliable and Dravid has been in the wars in the whole series with them.
Also the implementation and the decision reached based on the technology by the third umpire on each occasion has been different and inconsistent. Sometimes going by the directive and sometimes not. And if i add previous and other current series it is more inconsistent.

 

[Raghav]

Oh forgot!! about that. Further illustrates my point actually. He was given out on that occasion but did not review it as he was not sure.

There was one incident of the Stump Mic on which Snicko is reliant picking up some sound before that too in the 2nd test.

Found initial posts on it from the time -

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/2618377-post1353.html

Then there was the whole incident where we were told by the Broadcasters in the last test,that the Snicko can't be relied upon due to background noise and involving Dravid again(Though he said at the end that going with his instinct he thought it was out) -

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/2635161-post854.html


Also then there was the incident involving Laxman and the Vaselinegate where there was apparently some sort of sound, but no deviation or Hotspot and it wasn't overturned.


Clearly Snicko/Stump Mics and Hawkeye are both far from reliable and Dravid has been in the wars in the whole series with them.
Also the implementation and the decision reached based on the technology by the third umpire on each occasion has been different and inconsistent. Sometimes going by the directive and sometimes not. And if i add previous and other current series it is more inconsistent.

So what? What's the point?

Dravid is out today and he was given! Close the thread.. nothing is 100% accurate in this world.. nor one can make this world 100% accurate.. so does cricket. technology is just to assist and not to make decisions for you.. It's humans after all who makes decisions!!!

 

[Cevno]

So what? What's the point?

Dravid is out today and he was given! Close the thread.. nothing is 100% accurate in this world.. nor one can make this world 100% accurate.. so does cricket. technology is just to assist and not to make decisions for you.. It's humans after all who makes decisions!!!

Which was kind of the point.

That the Humans making decisions need to be consistent and require "conclusive" evidence to overturn as per directive and that does not include the batsman's reaction because Dravid who usually can walk stayed on. Also while Stump mic and Snicko may be more accurate than Hotspot there is no reason to say it is by far more accurate than it, and something which can be trusted even 70/80% of the time in case of such faint nicks.

 

[sumantra]

as far as i know snickometer isn't official in this series, third umpires can not take snickometer into account while making a judgement...

the question is how a third umpire can overrule the desicion of the on field umpire basing on something that is far from conclusive!

what the batsman think just doesn't count...when he doesn't nick it and the umpire gives it out, he has to go...

all i can say, the whole thing has to be revisited...HOTSPOT is not 100% correct, and thus, it can not be used (presently)