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***Official*** DRS discussion thread

UDRS?


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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Can you give some examples of where the predicted path has obviously got it wrong?
I am talking about the tests they did back in 2005. If the TV companies show us hawk eye tracking of every ball that hit the sticks or went past them, we will be in a better position to judge. But there have been times when I have felt that hawkeye does not take in the individual factors like bounce off the track etc on that particular session into account..
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
See, I still think that's dire. Players shouldn't have to be umpires IMO, and the fact that Watson chose not to refer his lbw doesn't make the decision any less of a blight on the game. But that's a separate debate altogether.
Yeah, I agree. My point is on the flak umpires take for making mistakes. Had there been no DRS because South Africa were being arsey about it, then I reckon there'd have been some anger at the umpire for getting it wrong, in the same way a few people got pissed off at Billy Bowden when he made a series of inexplicable calls at Lord's.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I am talking about the tests they did back in 2005. If the TV companies show us hawk eye tracking of every ball that hit the sticks or went past them, we will be in a better position to judge. But there have been times when I have felt that hawkeye does not take in the individual factors like bounce off the track etc on that particular session into account..
Translation: I have no examples, I am just making **** up.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Since HawkEye were happy enough with their own technology to suggest it be used as an umpiring aid, there has been just the one (Phil Hughes in Sri Lanka), I believe.

And look, even if there had been five, that's much fewer than the amount of times a standing umpire has got one obviously wrong in that period.
We will only know about this if they applied hawkeye predictive path tracking after it reaches the batsman for every ball that hit or went past the stumps on a day. I just think there are too many variables for any software to accurately predict where the ball would have gone after impact on the batsman in cricket. Just too many. I am happy to use it for tracking what did happen though, like where it pitched, point of impact etc.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
well, I am not sold and if the cricket committee of the BCCI is not sold either, then there may just be good reason this time. It would be very unlike BCCI, sure, but even a clock that 'doesn't work gets the time right twice a day..
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Since HawkEye were happy enough with their own technology to suggest it be used as an umpiring aid, there has been just the one (Phil Hughes in Sri Lanka), I believe.

And look, even if there had been five, that's much fewer than the amount of times a standing umpire has got one obviously wrong in that period.
And should I add that the standing umpire got that one wrong too. :p

We're yet to have an incident of HawkEye incorrectly over-turning a decision. Its net less to umpiring has been 0 so far, and its net gain has been significant.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Translation, you were ****ting when they showed the Warne ball in 2005 that bowled Strauss and hawkeye got it wrong by a foot or so.
One error, 6 years ago. Do you not think that they'll have bothered making any improvements to the technology since then? Particularly as the problem there was that Warne was spinning the ball further than HawkEye was calibrated for (an error that cropped up again at the Oval), an error that was easily solved.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
And should I add that the standing umpire got that one wrong too. :p

We're yet to have an incident of HawkEye incorrectly over-turning a decision. Its net less to umpiring has been 0 so far, and its net gain has been significant.
While what HawkEye projected in that case was wrong, I don't think HawkEye's conclusion (that the ball would have hit the stumps) was wrong.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
One error, 6 years ago. Do you not think that they'll have bothered making any improvements to the technology since then? Particularly as the problem there was that Warne was spinning the ball further than HawkEye was calibrated for (an error that cropped up again at the Oval), an error that was easily solved.
Let's wait and see on this data. I googled a bit but can't find anywhere what the percentages were on the testing done with hawkeye. Very little details and just a few press releases from the people in charge giving out some percentages. If it is that good, let's use it but I am just not sure.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
See when it comes to implementing technology, why does no-one have a problem with the fact that run outs and stumpings are adjudicated using cameras with innapropriate frame rates?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Technology isn't perfect, so we should ignore it in favour of the even worse human eye.
We should do the same with chucking as well and ban Ashwin from bowling, IMO. I also think Tendulkar's bat might be fractionally too wide but I don't trust the tape measure so we should slap on a ban for him too.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I trust the technology enough to criticise the umpires for making mistakes that the technology has highlighted but I don't trust it enough to actually use it to help eliminate those errors in game.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Technology isn't perfect, so we should ignore it in favour of the even worse human eye.
We should do the same with chucking as well and ban Ashwin from bowling, IMO. I also think Tendulkar's bat might be fractionally too wide but I don't trust the tape measure so we should slap on a ban for him too.
I trust the technology enough to criticise the umpires for making mistakes that the technology has highlighted but I don't trust it enough to actually use it to help eliminate those errors in game.
I have next to no idea on what anyone above me has posted and don't have a semblance of a point but I will make lame cracks coz that makes me, you know, cool. :dry:
 

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