StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So experience has no value...?
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**Official** County Cricket 2017
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Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
This whole concept that a guy doing well in County Cricket will be **** in Test cricket until he's had 'enough experience' is a total nonsense.
If you suddenly take someone to India or Australia who's never faced those conditions before, then there'll be a learning curve. But that would be the same whether they've played 200 CC games or 20. Unfamiliarity with conditions is different to experience.
Experience obviously helps players develop their game on a fundamental level. If you've spent 20,000 hours in the nets as opposed to 10,000 hours then that's obviously a benefit. As can the feedback from having weaknesses exposed in matches and learning from it. Or people like Warne who learned how to maximise his effectiveness with a reduced range/strength of weapons. But their performances already indicate their nous, naivety or whatever else. You don't need to penalise them further for playing fewer matches or being young. Someone who averages 40 over 200 matches isn't fundamentally better than someone who averages 40 over 50 matches (apart from the fact it is harder to sustain over more games).
Biryani Pillow
U19 Vice-Captain
You don't learn to play Test cricket by playing county cricket.
English cricket (I know from close observation) is becoming very good at identifying young talent - and by that I mean from U11 upwards, but they don't discount later developers. They are good at bringing them through county age group structures and working with clubs to help them develop. They are aware of the pitfalls and issues (I know of a very talented U14 player - his county (speaking to one involved) rate him highly but (someone from the coaching staff told me last year) he has one problem - his father. "You have ways of managing that sort of thing?" I asked. "Oh yes"). I see some of the guys playing very good club 1st XI cricket at 15/16/17 - they may not contribute hugely there quite yet but within a couple of years might well be past club cricket. Thirty years ago they would have been playing 2nd team or lower to 'learn their game'.
In a different sport Clive Woodward was known for blooding young players 'before they were the finished product'. Some didn't make it, but they likely would not have if their debut had been delayed. Others had 20-30 international caps before, according to some, they should have made their debut.
A great case demonstrating the correct policy was Stuart Broad. I reckon he played Test cricket two years before he 'deserved' to. But two years after his debut he had improved and was pretty established - probably gave him at least one more year as a Test player.
I can't believe I appear to being agreeing with Scaley - I'll go and lie down.
English cricket (I know from close observation) is becoming very good at identifying young talent - and by that I mean from U11 upwards, but they don't discount later developers. They are good at bringing them through county age group structures and working with clubs to help them develop. They are aware of the pitfalls and issues (I know of a very talented U14 player - his county (speaking to one involved) rate him highly but (someone from the coaching staff told me last year) he has one problem - his father. "You have ways of managing that sort of thing?" I asked. "Oh yes"). I see some of the guys playing very good club 1st XI cricket at 15/16/17 - they may not contribute hugely there quite yet but within a couple of years might well be past club cricket. Thirty years ago they would have been playing 2nd team or lower to 'learn their game'.
In a different sport Clive Woodward was known for blooding young players 'before they were the finished product'. Some didn't make it, but they likely would not have if their debut had been delayed. Others had 20-30 international caps before, according to some, they should have made their debut.
A great case demonstrating the correct policy was Stuart Broad. I reckon he played Test cricket two years before he 'deserved' to. But two years after his debut he had improved and was pretty established - probably gave him at least one more year as a Test player.
I can't believe I appear to being agreeing with Scaley - I'll go and lie down.
Cant wait to see how we get on against hampshire tomorrow, im confident of another good season my only worry is that raynor might have punched above his weight last season, but he did pretty well for the lions and in the warm up games so hopefully he proves me wrong. I dont expect us to lose any players to england all summer and having voges all year is a massive plus. Much better than bailey option than bailey was last season
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yep, no chance of Crane being in England contention for later in the summer when he's not playing.
In other news Middlesex coming out against the ECB. A bit naughty after Strauss gave them a helping hand to the title. I wonder if the writers for Game of Thrones keep an eye on English cricket as a source of inspiration.
In other news Middlesex coming out against the ECB. A bit naughty after Strauss gave them a helping hand to the title. I wonder if the writers for Game of Thrones keep an eye on English cricket as a source of inspiration.
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
No Croft and Jimmeh rested so Livingstone is captaining. Meteoric rise after only getting in the side last year but not many other options.
Seam bowling looks incredible thin in the selected side, Jarvis and Mclaren with Clark and Proctor for backup. Need a big score batting first.
Seam bowling looks incredible thin in the selected side, Jarvis and Mclaren with Clark and Proctor for backup. Need a big score batting first.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Additionally Warwickshire ********* their home games also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRhhL1ejYY Warwickshire v Yorkshire.
Glamorgan v Worcestershire Glamorgan Cricket
Notts and Middlesex away this round.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Rawlins straight into the Sussex team.
Liked the look of Weatherly last week for Kent (on loan from Hampshire) against Glos. Had time and played the ball late. Strokes the ball rather than bash it. Unfortunately not playing this week with Dickson back from injury.
Essex and Somerset both playing their second spinner at Taunton. Essex's bowling is so meh. Don't think Wagner is a great new ball bowler. Porter meh. Zaidi a white ball cricketer. Somerset look strong with one Davies replaced by another in the wicketkeeping.
English players fairly mediocre so far in the IPL. Wonder which will be the first to be dropped.
Liked the look of Weatherly last week for Kent (on loan from Hampshire) against Glos. Had time and played the ball late. Strokes the ball rather than bash it. Unfortunately not playing this week with Dickson back from injury.
Essex and Somerset both playing their second spinner at Taunton. Essex's bowling is so meh. Don't think Wagner is a great new ball bowler. Porter meh. Zaidi a white ball cricketer. Somerset look strong with one Davies replaced by another in the wicketkeeping.
English players fairly mediocre so far in the IPL. Wonder which will be the first to be dropped.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Coad going well again. Takes out Warwickshire top 3.
ImpatientLime
International Regular
early season prediction. steve finn will be sat on the middlesex bench come the end of the season.
pissed off that he's keeping helm out.
pissed off that he's keeping helm out.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yea you can see why the ECB had all those pre-CC matches now. Gives Alsop, Crane, Helm and the like some game time before the counties pass them up for selection.
ImpatientLime
International Regular
pattinson thunderbolt to wreck jennings off pole.
https://twitter.com/TrentBridge/status/852859031391805440
https://twitter.com/TrentBridge/status/852859031391805440
burr
State Vice-Captain
Notts definitely got lucky when Siddle got injured.
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I bet Hampshire are wishing they'd picked Crane now.
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
Bit of a recovery 249/6 from 67/5, shouldn't have got in that position in the first place. Shiv doing his thing, well played Jordan Clark
superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
Some way to get to your first FC hundred...start the over on 82
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Jordan Clark? He's been over here and dominating in local stuff.
Shiv forced by the umpire to wear a helmet facing spin, heh.
Shiv forced by the umpire to wear a helmet facing spin, heh.