*Official* Compaq Cup 2009 in Sri Lanka

[Raghav]

Someone tell Vettori to come up the batting order.. I felt he should have come after Taylor's wicket...

 

[Halfpast_Yellow]

When do we start talking about Moles going as a coach?

Don't know how much the coach is to blame with this team. Rationally, I can't see how only one person can be held to be the scapegoat.

Blaming the coach only really works for me if you've got a team that's expected to win a majority of performances underperforming.

But I'm no expert on cricket coaching.

Given captain and coach are selectors I actually quite liked the team we put on the park for the game. Maybe a bowler heavy, but who else would you bring in?

 

[heXik]

NZ batting order

B. McCullum should not open in ODI's in my opinion, it would be better if he stayed in the middle-lower order to provide more depth in the batting order in the late overs. An Oram-McCullum type partnership would be nice to watch or a Vettori-McCullum partnership. Guptill-Ryder should open and Taylor come in as the 3rd man. In my opinion that would be worth a try. Also, i have to applaud a solo effort by Elliot in the first ODI hes the only one that really hanged in there for NZ in the first ODI. Near the starting of the match i thought NZ had this victory in the bag. After taking out Dilshan,Jayawardene and Sangakkara i thought SL had this lost for sure, but Samaraweera and Mathews showed that they are capable of international level cricket and really brought the win for SL.

 

[Raghav]

My NZ Team *** Batting Order vs India should be:

Ryder
Guptill
Elliot
R. Taylor
Vettori
B. McCullum
Oram
N. McCullum
Mills
Bond
Butler

 

[Prince EWS]

My NZ Team *** Batting Order vs India should be:

Ryder
Guptill
Elliot
R. Taylor
Vettori
B. McCullum
Oram
N. McCullum
Mills
Bond
Butler

Don't really think Elliott should bat at three - he doesn't really have the technique to negotiate the new ball, nor does he have the game to piece the field early in his innings if he comes in during a PowerPlay. He's awesome at accumulating runs at a decent rate without appearing to do anything when the field's spread so he's perfect at five in ODIs but he's not a number three.

As under-rated as Vettori has become as a Test batsman, it's never translated to ODIs at all. He had a stint batting 5 in them before and he looked absolutely clueless - that's not something that needs revisiting.

 

[Raghav]

Don't really think Elliott should bat at three - he doesn't really have the technique to negotiate the new ball, nor does he have the game to piece the field early in his innings if he comes in during a PowerPlay. He's awesome at accumulating runs at a decent rate without appearing to do anything when the field's spread so he's perfect at five in ODIs but he's not a number three.

As under-rated as Vettori has become as a Test batsman, it's never translated to ODIs at all. He had a stint batting 5 in them before and he looked absolutely clueless - that's not something that needs revisiting.

On these tracks, Elliot can come at No.3. He is a sort of player who plays within his limitations; We need that kind of player on these pitches... It is better for NZ, rather than Taylor coming and playing shots on these slow tracks at No.3 ..you cant lose your best player to swinging ball..Just to protect the NZ middle order, I would ask Elliot to come No.3.

For sure, I would not want Elliot to come at No.3 for all his life; but I would need him only on these slow tracks to protect the big hitters.

Vettori at 5: He dont require to score 50's & 100's at this position... he is better in nudging for singles and doubles..and keeps the score moving so that McCullum, Oram & Nathan can be handy in later overs of the game

 

[heXik]

Most of my team should look like this with some variations throughout a series.

Ryder
Guptill
Taylor
N.McCullum
Elliot
Vettori
B. McCullum
Oram
Butler/Mills
Tuffey/O' Brien
Bond

The reason i put N.McCullum up at 4th is because NZ seem to have trouble getting their run rate flowing and with N.McCullums aggressive style play and decent strike rate he could be worth a try putting at 4th. As for the bowlers, i would have to switch them up after each match (i.e. Tuffey plays 1st ODI,O' Brien in 2nd, etc). I would prefer O' Brien bowling to a team like India, but it all depends on how your teams chemistry works out. NZ have a decent team for bowling so i would focus more on their batting order.

 

[heXik]

But as Raghav mentioned on a slower type pitch Elliot would be better at 3rd or 4th, in that case i would bump taylor down to 5th and having a Elliot-N.McCullum partnership could provide some good runs.

 

[Polo23]

On these tracks, Elliot can come at No.3. He is a sort of player who plays within his limitations; We need that kind of player on these pitches... It is better for NZ, rather than Taylor coming and playing shots on these slow tracks at No.3 ..you cant lose your best player to swinging ball..Just to protect the NZ middle order, I would ask Elliot to come No.3.

For sure, I would not want Elliot to come at No.3 for all his life; but I would need him only on these slow tracks to protect the big hitters.

Vettori at 5: He dont require to score 50's & 100's at this position... he is better in nudging for singles and doubles..and keeps the score moving so that McCullum, Oram & Nathan can be handy in later overs of the game

I wouldn't mind seeing McCullum come down the order but Elliott at number 3 is not a good idea. He doesn't have the game to hit the ball through the in field regularly, he is an accumulator, and performs his best when the field is spread. That is his role and so far he has done it well, why would you want to ask him to change it?

As for Vettori coming in at number 5, as PEWS pointed out it has been tried and it was an out and out failure. Vettori is not a number 5 ODI batsman.

 

[Polo23]

The reason i put N.McCullum up at 4th is because NZ seem to have trouble getting their run rate flowing and with N.McCullums aggressive style play and decent strike rate he could be worth a try putting at 4th. As for the bowlers, i would have to switch them up after each match (i.e. Butler plays 1st ODI,O' Brien in 2nd, etc). I would prefer O' Brien bowling to a team like India, but it all depends on how your teams chemistry works out. NZ have a decent team for bowling so i would focus more on their batting order.

N McCullum at 4? He has a List A average of under 20 and you want him to bat number 4 in ODI's? Yeah, he's an aggressive player but I don't see how that equates to him being good enough to bat number 4 at international level.

As for the bowlers, O'Brien isn't even in the OD squad so he isn't going to feature at all.

 

[heXik]

I know O' Brien is not on the ODI squad im just telling you how i think a better chemistry would work out. N. McCullum has had decent innings in T20 and putting him in 4th on some occasions could not be as bad as it sounds. I'm not saying to put N.McCullum in 4th on every ODI but occassionaly it could help (Mostly, I would say in a chasing situation). That's my opinion

 

[Athlai]

Oram needs to be dropped. That is all.

 

[heXik]

And if you look at stats from other players with the same batting style as his you'll see that they haven't been real good at the starting of their careers. His brother Brendon wasn't even that much of a player when he first came. Ah, the good old days when Fleming,Cairns, and McMillan were around.

 

[Athlai]

And if you look at stats from other players with the same batting style as his you'll see that they haven't been real good at the starting of their careers. His brother Brendon wasn't even that much of a player when he first came. Ah, the good old days when Fleming,Cairns, and McMillan were around.

Nathan McCullum isn't half as good as his brother with the bat. He should never play higher than 6 and even thats a stretch. He is a slogger and thats where he should stay.

Taylor will come good hes been the batsman of the tour.

Baz and Ryder won't fail us totally twice, Guppy is still an unknown and I say he should stay.
Elliot is good at 5.

Drop Oram. Broom 6

The bowlers should be our best: Bond, Tuffey, Mills, Vettori, McCullum

 

[heXik]

Well Brendon wasn't that much of a batsman throughout his career, he is another agressive batsman and his stats show it. Played 154 ODI's,averaged 28.31, and only has fifteen 50's and a single 100. Those are slogger stats. Both brothers have a similar type of batting technique and they are both sloggers. It's just that Brendon is MUCH more experienced in international cricket than his brother. Give him time to develop and experience and Nathan will be a decent slogger just like his brother.

 

[Raghav]

I wouldn't mind seeing McCullum come down the order but Elliott at number 3 is not a good idea. He doesn't have the game to hit the ball through the in field regularly, he is an accumulator, and performs his best when the field is spread. That is his role and so far he has done it well, why would you want to ask him to change it?


As for Vettori coming in at number 5, as PEWS pointed out it has been tried and it was an out and out failure. Vettori is not a number 5 ODI batsman.

I want Taylor to be protected. i do not want Taylor exposed to new ball...I think Elliot is the only player who can stay there and see through the new ball....Leave the scoring to Ryder & Guptill until Taylor comes

As we got too many hitters & sloggers in the middle order, I would need someone to anchor the innings who can nudge those singles and twos…I think Vettori fits in to this….

There is no wrong in trying again now..

 

[Meridio]

Wtf is going on in here? Let's sum it up: N McCullum is B McCullum's brother and also an aggressive batsman. Therefore, he is just as good with the bat. Amazing logic.

heXik = John Bracewell?

 

[Meridio]

Anyway, utterly dire performance with the bat. Not entirely surprised, though I would've expected the spinners to be ripping us apart rather than the seamers.

On another note, think that pitch would have suited Scott Styris down to the ground. Low and slow, where you can sit on the front foot all day. Think Piggy dreams of those.

 

[Raghav]

Anyway, utterly dire performance with the bat. Not entirely surprised, though I would've expected the spinners to be ripping us apart rather than the seamers.

On another note, think that pitch would have suited Scott Styris down to the ground. Low and slow, where you can sit on the front foot all day. Think Piggy dreams of those.

Styris would have gone thru inside edge on to the stumps while trying to pull on leg side

 

[marc71178]

I think the NZ fans need to calm down a little - it's one loss in a situation where the odds were stacked against you when you lost the toss.

Last thing you want to do is move McCullum back down the order, his record opening (but not facing the 1st ball) is just what you need.