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***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
It's a bit odd all the amusement being expressed in here regarding pre-tournament predictions. Given the information available at the time most of those predictions were sound.

Where were the "England will win this" predictions?
 

pasag

RTDAS
GIMH and Barney Rubble still haven't posted since the win. It might just have been to much for them. Death by over-excitement for mine.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Australia's loss to England in the Commonwealth Bank Series just goes to show how important Andrew Symonds is to the Australian ODI side. His batting obviously is what we missed the most, but he also sets high standards in the field and I think people often are too quick to undervalue his impact with the ball.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Given the fact that England were dead and buried and were a gulf behind in terms of class and ability from Australia, and given the rabid tearing they were subjected to from all former players, the Aussie coach ("we are not getting good practice before WC because of NZ and England." didnt he say something like that?), the NINE's biased commentary team, the umpires (few of them, not all)........ This has to be one of the greatest turn arounds in the history of cricket.


All the credit and more should be given to Flintoff, Collingwood, Fletcher, Vaughan and almost all the others for the way they have motivated this side into giving such a rejuvenated performance. Plunkett was swinging the ball like crazy. He and Sreesanth are two blokes right handers would simply HATE on a track with even a bit of movement for the bowlers. Flintoff was amazing. Four overs for four runs and getting Hussey out for a duck = AWESOME. Maybe it is time to change my avatar again. :)


Australia has seen a few of their loopholes exposed here. It will be interesting to see how they cope with this. There was this old saying about how when a giant falls, he just falls. He may get up again, but he will never be the same. Wonder if it is gonna work out that way for Australia. They have been dominant for so long this last 6 months that this has to be an absolute shock, esp. given the fact that it is against England. Interesting times ahead, I guess.
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
GIMH and Barney Rubble still haven't posted since the win. It might just have been to much for them. Death by over-excitement for mine.
Haha, right on cue, here I am. :D

TBH I was actually unable to watch the second half of yesterday's game, but I became increasingly excited on receiving numerous score updates throughout the morning.

The over-whelming feeling isn't what I expected it'd be - more just a general bemusement and amusement at how we managed to win.

Oh, and a big :p to the whole of Australia. :cool:
 

Craig

World Traveller
Yeah it's astonishing stuff. Nobody would ever have picked it really, especially after the Ashes and the capitulation in Adelaide.
Yeah I agree as well when consider what happened in Brisbane where New Zealand blew it, they looked the only side who could match Australia.

I mean wow.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Haha, wow. If someone told me after 2005 that England would get whiteashed in the tests and then come back and win the ODI series, I would've slapped you with a fish.

Great win by England. Kudos to them! :)


Paul Nixon. Is he really a domestic cricketer in England, or some homeless guy they picked up off the streets? I mean, his face looks like he's been abusing substances for a while and he constantly talks like a crazy homeless person.

Maybe Australia's next keeper isn't Haddin or Ronchi or whoever. maybe it's that bloke living in a cardboard box who was going to tell me the meaning of lfie if I gave him enough money for a whisky. :)
:laugh:
 

Neil Pickup

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It's a bit odd all the amusement being expressed in here regarding pre-tournament predictions. Given the information available at the time most of those predictions were sound.

Where were the "England will win this" predictions?
There's a difference between predictions and brain-dead proclamations of certainty, which as everybody should know, there is no such thing as in sport. This is just rightful mocking.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
This has to be one of the greatest turn arounds in the history of cricket.

Australia has seen a few of their loopholes exposed here. It will be interesting to see how they cope with this. There was this old saying about how when a giant falls, he just falls. He may get up again, but he will never be the same. Wonder if it is gonna work out that way for Australia.
Jeez settle down. Its one day cricket, funny things do happen, and its not like Australia hasn't lost matches, or even series, in their decade of domination. The common factor is that its required an opposition player to play right out of their skin - Lara's series in the Caribbean, Laxman/Harby's series in India, and Flintoff/Simon Jones in England. We dominated in the almost all the preliminary matches and had a few bad games at the end of a long summer.

I'm not diminishing England's achievement, or making excuses, but I think its premature to herald the end of an era on the basis of three ODI losses in a row.

If Australia fail to make the final, or get thumped in the final, of the WC, then it would be fair enough to talk about a change of guard. If we win the WC, this loss will mean almost nothing in terms of the teams standing or legacy.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Jeez settle down. Its one day cricket, funny things do happen, and its not like Australia hasn't lost matches, or even series, in their decade of domination. The common factor is that its required an opposition player to play right out of their skin - Lara's series in the Caribbean, Laxman/Harby's series in India, and Flintoff/Simon Jones in England. We dominated in the almost all the preliminary matches and had a few bad games at the end of a long summer.

I'm not diminishing England's achievement, or making excuses, but I think its premature to herald the end of an era on the basis of three ODI losses in a row.

If Australia fail to make the final, or get thumped in the final, of the WC, then it would be fair enough to talk about a change of guard. If we win the WC, this loss will mean almost nothing in terms of the teams standing or legacy.



lol. I did get carried away a bit there. Expecting my British passport soon. :p


But seriously, it is a terrific comeback. The Lara series and Laxman/Harby series were when no one expected anything from the opponents. Australia went in as favourites, won the first tests comfortably and looked set for another dominant series win. Here, England were expected to fight hard and make a good fist of the Ashes. Flintoff was expected to continue his glory run against Australia from the last Ashes, Pieterson was expected to smash hundreds and Harmison was expected to get a lot of wickets etc. Given the hype for this series and the absolute canning that they got from the press for a better part of 3 months, for these guys to have stuck around (remember, this is the part where most sides LOSE it in Australia after playing well in the first half of the tour, simply because no one enjoys 3 months away from home, esp. having to play quality cricket day after day, which is what you have to do against Australia to even be in with a chance.), had faith in each other and themselves and find some self belief from somewhere and turn it around like this deserves more kudos than you guys seem to think.


When was the last time Australia were defeated in 3 LIVE ODIs at a stretch? When was the last time Australia lost a final? When was the last time England actually won a big ODI tournament? You are talking of an extremely inexperienced side with not many hugely talented players pulling off an ultimate coup here. I am sure Australia took their foot off a bit and I am sure they are starting to feel the effects of missing Martyn and Symonds but this is still a great victory and I can't believe people are underplaying it. I know this doesn't make England big contenders for the WC, some of their frailities still exist but still, this is an outstanding feat.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
lol. I did get carried away a bit there. Expecting my British passport soon. :p


But seriously, it is a terrific comeback. The Lara series and Laxman/Harby series were when no one expected anything from the opponents. Australia went in as favourites, won the first tests comfortably and looked set for another dominant series win. Here, England were expected to fight hard and make a good fist of the Ashes. Flintoff was expected to continue his glory run against Australia from the last Ashes, Pieterson was expected to smash hundreds and Harmison was expected to get a lot of wickets etc. Given the hype for this series and the absolute canning that they got from the press for a better part of 3 months, for these guys to have stuck around (remember, this is the part where most sides LOSE it in Australia after playing well in the first half of the tour, simply because no one enjoys 3 months away from home, esp. having to play quality cricket day after day, which is what you have to do against Australia to even be in with a chance.), had faith in each other and themselves and find some self belief from somewhere and turn it around like this deserves more kudos than you guys seem to think.


When was the last time Australia were defeated in 3 LIVE ODIs at a stretch? When was the last time Australia lost a final? When was the last time England actually won a big ODI tournament? You are talking of an extremely inexperienced side with not many hugely talented players pulling off an ultimate coup here. I am sure Australia took their foot off a bit and I am sure they are starting to feel the effects of missing Martyn and Symonds but this is still a great victory and I can't believe people are underplaying it. I know this doesn't make England big contenders for the WC, some of their frailities still exist but still, this is an outstanding feat.
Sure, you're absolutely right about England's performance and how special their achievement to come back and beat Australia in their own backyard was - it showed a lot of character and required some very good cricket. Its hard to be too upset about the Australian performance when it was Collingwood playing some exception cricket, and possibly some rain delays, that beat us in the end.

Not sure about nobody expecting much from the Windies or India during those tours. The hype for the India tour was, by pre Ashes 2006 standards, huge, and the Windies in the Caribbean was regarded as a real test for Australia, even as the Windies declined, with Lara and the bowlers the Windies still had and Warne struggling for Australia.

Finally I don't think people are underplaying England's win. But the English fans are probably somewhat cautious about building their hopes too high in case they are once again dashed, and the Aussie fans honestly probably just don't care as much as they would have if we hadn't won the Ashes in a whitewash, won the CT, and if we didn't still feel confident of retaining the World Cup.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Windies lost 5-0 to RSA and Lara was being pilloried by all and sundry. HIs whole future was in doubt and they were struggling to put eleven players on the field, that was how poor the Windies were going into that series. It makes Lara's and the Walsh/Ambrose combo's shows all the more special, but certainly I don't think any serious cricket fan would have rated Windies to win more than one test in that series, and that would have been an ideal scenario for a Windies fan.



India struggled to beat Zim in India and gave away the first innings lead to Bangladesh in their first test. They weren't in any form gng into that series either, given that Kumble was injured and India fielded a new spinner each game to partner Harby. Again, not many sane fans would have expected INdia to do too well in that series.
 

pup11

International Coach
I am Heartbroken!

Really guys its been a shock for me to see aussies lose 2-0 in the finals, i am really heartbroken and disappointed . There was no fight what so ever by the aussies either, which was really suprising, but i am a hardcore aussie supporter and still back them to win the world cup. On the contrary i believe that this is an eye-opener for the guys and this can make them even more determined and focussed to win the world cup.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Jeez settle down. Its one day cricket, funny things do happen, and its not like Australia hasn't lost matches, or even series, in their decade of domination. The common factor is that its required an opposition player to play right out of their skin - Lara's series in the Caribbean, Laxman/Harby's series in India, and Flintoff/Simon Jones in England. We dominated in the almost all the preliminary matches and had a few bad games at the end of a long summer.

I'm not diminishing England's achievement, or making excuses, but I think its premature to herald the end of an era on the basis of three ODI losses in a row.

If Australia fail to make the final, or get thumped in the final, of the WC, then it would be fair enough to talk about a change of guard. If we win the WC, this loss will mean almost nothing in terms of the teams standing or legacy.
Still lost to what was universally agreed to be the crappest ODI team of the major countries the world, injury ravaged at that.

Still made me lose some money.

Lest we forget. :(
 
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