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[_TiGeR-ToWn_]

tbh, there should be no excuse for any specialist batsmen to finish not out in any ODI innings with a Strike Rate of just 45. If thats the way it's gonna be Bring back Katich, at least he had SR of 60.

The reason he was doing that was no doubt trying to bat himself into alittle bit of form. Using it as an extended net session which is quite reasonable if you ask me. I would prefer him to be not out with a strike rate of only 45 then bat for 10 overs and score 20 off 25 balls but still go out.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Oh dear, England. Oh dear.

 

[pup11]

With watson getting the nod to bowl in the pura cup match against WA i think hayden's days in the ozi odi team are numbered if he doesn't get a hundred on sunday which looks highly unlikely at the moment,today's knock has done a lot of harm to hayden's credentials as the opener for the world cup coz now the selectors clearly can see how badly out form he is,this knock was bearable if he was a regular in the odi side but not on his comeback.

 

[Turbinator]

Haha, England out to lose another one, why do they even bother coming on the field

 

[Nemesis27]

They might as well go home, england. Watching Australia play England is like watching a pitbull continously slaughtering a poor little puppy. Well no one's gonna deny that England has an absolute dog of a team (bad pun )

Englands batting is an absolute abomination, they may win the occasional game at club level.

Their fielding is well below standard, but with the batting being so poor, why does it matter?

Their bowling is,well not much better, its probably Englands best attribute but that isn't saying much.

At very sporadic times during their tour, one of those 3 elements has clicked, and some contest has actually been created ( Adelaide test 1st innings, Melbourne test, 1st Australia innings, bowling and the run chase in the Brisbane ODI namedly) but never have all 3 clicked at the same time, hell they rarely click at all.

I was looking forward to this summer of cricket, because I thought it was going to be a good tough contest. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing Australia winning, but when the margins are constantly as big as they are, it really becomes quite a bore at times. But England, have left me at least very high and dry, as I am yet to see a well thought out summer of cricket in Australia, and im beginning to wonder whether ill ever see one.

 

[Johnners]

But whats the point in batting agreesive and getting a low score because they wanted to score fast for no apparent reason. We were always going to get the bonus point and he wanted a not out innings to help boost his confiedence. Also if he could get out early who knows what could happen, another batting collapse.

No they didn't need a fast score, but we dind't want an excessively slow one either. Yes he may be using it to boost his confidence etc. etc. but, i'm sure i wasn't the only person to notice that when he DID try and up the anty, and looky horribly scratchy in doing so. Sure he hit a four, that was about 2 inches away from being snavlled up at Mid On.

He's made starts in 3 matches this series, and has looked horrible in each of them as soon as he's tried to score at a reasonable rate. Fair enough to make a circumspect start to get your eye in, but if you cannot capitalise upon that, as Hayden hasn't been able to, and neither was Katich able to before him, it's a waste of deliveries for several reasons. 1) Because your not turning the strike over to the dominant batsmen enough, which as we've often seen before, can lead to their demise, & 2) because your hampering the teams ability to post a competitive target.

 

[Nemesis27]

Odd thing about this, is that Hayden was scoring at a very good rate during the tests, he was in very good form towards the end of the Ashes, then as soon as he begins playing ODI'S he's out of form all of a sudden Maybe it was a bit like Andrew Symonds going from one dayers to tests at first, he was horrible in tests. I think its a bit like that case, he simply isn't sure what he should be doing, and why, I don't know.

 

[Alysum]

Odd thing about this, is that Hayden was scoring at a very good rate during the tests, he was in very good form towards the end of the Ashes, then as soon as he begins playing ODI'S he's out of form all of a sudden Maybe it was a bit like Andrew Symonds going from one dayers to tests at first, he was horrible in tests. I think its a bit like that case, he simply isn't sure what he should be doing, and why, I don't know.

well if he got out he may had not played ODI again...plus aus had a small target 2day

 

[Nemesis27]

well if he got out he may had not played ODI again...plus aus had a small target 2day

Well, he probably would be out of the squad now if there was any other open in Australia in decent form, and the fact there isnt one in decent form is the reason Hayden is still in the squad.

He is the only batsman in the Australian lineup currently who's current form resembles that of an Englishman.

 

[pup11]

Look i am not saying what hayden did was wrong but you see katich made 24(60) in DLF cup final since than hasn't played a game so watson came in for him but with him not around haydos was included because of his quick scoring rate but if he bats like this and still keeps playing how fair it was on katich.

 

[GIMH]

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[kwigibo]

Odd thing about this, is that Hayden was scoring at a very good rate during the tests.

This right here is a concept that the selectors and the commentators for that matter have to seriously rethink. A good scoring rate in tests is still laughably slow in one day cricket, just the way consistent line and length is good in test matches, but as Clark so often shows, will get you belted all over the place in the pyjama game.

The formats are much more different than the prevailing wisdom is willing to admit. Sure, a lot of players, probably even a majority in some places, are equally good at both, but that's because they change their approach. Hayden, Katich, Clark (going back, Mark Taylor and Michael Slater etc.) aren't able to change their approach enough.

That Hayden hits a lot of boundaries in test cricket and strikes at 60 means nothing come January. Heck, Geoff Boycott hit a lot of boundaries, I wouldn't pick him in a one day team. He has never been a consistently rapid striker by One Day standards, and he's getting worse.

Test form does not equate to ODI form, and no one is suggesting dropping him from the test team.

 

[McKanga]

Vaughan return should put Strauss out of his misery
".............An Australia Day crowd of just over 27,000 booed when Andrew Flintoff announced that England would bat first. Spectators wanted to watch their own batsmen and clearly sensed that a bedraggled touring side would not post enough of a target to involve many of their favourites. They were right.........."

 

[kwigibo]

The thing is, these kind of chases were usually the only time Hayden would get on top of ODI attacks. He can't even do that anymore.

 

[Complicated]

Australia needed a grand total of under three runs per over to win. There really isn't any incentive for Hayden to play a run a ball innings. Instead he got himself some good time in the middle and some confidence to take into the next match. I don't really understand the fuss..,

 

[Nemesis27]

Thats right, but we will see how he goes if theres a large total to chase down (if that happens, that is).

 

[Nemesis27]

This right here is a concept that the selectors and the commentators for that matter have to seriously rethink. A good scoring rate in tests is still laughably slow in one day cricket, just the way consistent line and length is good in test matches, but as Clark so often shows, will get you belted all over the place in the pyjama game.

The formats are much more different than the prevailing wisdom is willing to admit. Sure, a lot of players, probably even a majority in some places, are equally good at both, but that's because they change their approach. Hayden, Katich, Clark (going back, Mark Taylor and Michael Slater etc.) aren't able to change their approach enough.

That Hayden hits a lot of boundaries in test cricket and strikes at 60 means nothing come January. Heck, Geoff Boycott hit a lot of boundaries, I wouldn't pick him in a one day team. He has never been a consistently rapid striker by One Day standards, and he's getting worse.

Test form does not equate to ODI form, and no one is suggesting dropping him from the test team.

The thing is though, he is acutally scoring quicker in tests than ODI'S, thats a problem. I agree that a SR of 60 isnt good in ODI cricket, but the above fact assumes that there is some sort of problem with ODI cricket, you can't deny that.

 

[pup11]

Hayden is a tried and tested opener at odi cricket after mark waugh left he formed a world class combo with gilly.The point is he struggeled during his knock today he played more with his edges against an attack minus anderson and lewis so if they were there he would haven't survived. At this point he is playing like a man who doesn't know whether to be attacking or be moderate his mindset needs to change rest will fall into place by itself.

 

[The Baconator]

Ouch. I've been thinking to myself a bit, "we're not quite as dire as everyone seems to think" but obviously I was wrong.

 

[Natman20]

Hayden is being criticised too much. He is a great opening batsman. Imagine the price us in New Zealand would pay for a player of his ability to open for us. You cant just say he's rubbish after a little bit of recent poor form.