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[FaaipDeOiad]

If Hayden is dropped, I can really only see them picking Jaques, unless they throw in another makeshift opener like Clarke or Hodge, or Watson is fit. I think they've shown they won't pick Hopes (which is a good thing IMO), and Cosgrove is in far worse form than Jaques is and won't be selected.

Realistically, I don't think Hayden will be dropped until Watson or Jaques can be picked to replace him. They'll stick with him through the balance of this series, and if Watson is actually ready to play before it's over he'll come in for either White or Hayden depending on form. If Watson's not fit, the only way they'll drop Hayden is if Jaques makes some runs for NSW.

I can't see them dropping Hayden for Hodge and sticking either he or Clarke at the top just now. There's simply not enough incentive to pick Hodge as things stand, and obviously they want Hayden to make some runs so he can the opener in the WC. I'll be for Watson, Jaques or nobody.

 

[Johnners]

If they have to try some young batsmen shaun marsh and travis brit are also good choices as ozi's are already through to finals.As for jacques and cosgrove not scoring runs this season look at pup how many first class or list A runs did he had when he was brought into the side and look at him today he is touted to be the next captain.

Clarke was actually playing well before he made his OD debut. Something that Jaques & Cosgrove are not

 

[Prince EWS]

If Hayden is dropped, I can really only see them picking Jaques, unless they throw in another makeshift opener like Clarke or Hodge, or Watson is fit. I think they've shown they won't pick Hopes (which is a good thing IMO), and Cosgrove is in far worse form than Jaques is and won't be selected.

Realistically, I don't think Hayden will be dropped until Watson or Jaques can be picked to replace him. They'll stick with him through the balance of this series, and if Watson is actually ready to play before it's over he'll come in for either White or Hayden depending on form. If Watson's not fit, the only way they'll drop Hayden is if Jaques makes some runs for NSW.

I can't see them dropping Hayden for Hodge and sticking either he or Clarke at the top just now. There's simply not enough incentive to pick Hodge as things stand, and obviously they want Hayden to make some runs so he can the opener in the WC. I'll be for Watson, Jaques or nobody.

Yep, I agree with all of that.

They'll most likely give Hayden until the end of the series to prove his worth in the side - the same goes for White. Watson will eventually come back in and either open or bat 4 (and I hope they pick Hogg when this happens as five fast bowlers would be quite silly really..) depending on how Hayden and White are travelling.

I'd probably drop Hayden now as I don't see the purpose in playing him really, but I think they'll stick with him until series end.

 

[pup11]

hauritz or cullen

I believe that since warney has praised dan selectors rate him quite highly as for hauritz he is unlucky as he had a bit of rough time with the bulls and then doran took over but he has done the right thing by coming over to nsw.He is good spinner and a handy lower order bat.

 

[Johnners]

If Hayden is dropped, I can really only see them picking Jaques, unless they throw in another makeshift opener like Clarke or Hodge, or Watson is fit. I think they've shown they won't pick Hopes (which is a good thing IMO), and Cosgrove is in far worse form than Jaques is and won't be selected.

Realistically, I don't think Hayden will be dropped until Watson or Jaques can be picked to replace him. They'll stick with him through the balance of this series, and if Watson is actually ready to play before it's over he'll come in for either White or Hayden depending on form. If Watson's not fit, the only way they'll drop Hayden is if Jaques makes some runs for NSW.

I can't see them dropping Hayden for Hodge and sticking either he or Clarke at the top just now. There's simply not enough incentive to pick Hodge as things stand, and obviously they want Hayden to make some runs so he can the opener in the WC. I'll be for Watson, Jaques or nobody.

As much as i don't like it, i'd have to agree that what you've written

 

[pup11]

its sad coz when both jacques and cosgrove were forms of their lifes they were not selected

 

[pup11]

I think after all considerations its pretty clear that if ozi's want to play 4 seamers than they will have to play watson which also gives them a chance to play a spinner in the world cup but spinners need to be used more attackingly which punter never does.

 

[kwigibo]

You'd have the same amount of bowling options regardless though. I'd be bringing Hogg in for one of the quicks once Watson was fit. Your side, once Watson returns, would have 5 quicks with White/Clarke/Symonds as 6th bowling options..

You're right, they don't need five pacers. This is all pretty short term anyway with McGrath, Hogg and Gilchrist in the mix, after them what is the lineup.

In revision, pre-retirements, my very conditional line-up

Gilchrist
Clarke/Klinger
Ponting
Symonds/Clarke
Hussey/ Symonds
Watson/Hussey/Hussey
White/Hopes
Hogg
Lee
Bracken
Mcgrath

Post

Haddin
Clarke/Klinger/(in form) Jaques
Ponting
Clarke/Watson
Symonds
Hussey
White/D Hussey/Hopes
Hauritz/Simpson?
Lee
Bracken
Johnson/HIlfenhaus

Still having trouble with that 7/8 and fitting Watson into the existing line-up, still, they'd have a pretty good rotating 13. As long as Watson isn't as low as 7, I'd back any mix of these guys, excepting Hauritz/Simpson who are there on ranger cup stats and I'm still iffy about. When Hogg is gone it might still be more sensible to go with 5 good seamers than risk a specialist spinner who might only be as effective as your part-timers. If these hypothetical guys actually got some games you could cut it down to the best 11 pretty quick.

This is why I suggested Hogg at no 7, at least we know he'll bowl a lot more overs than White.

 

[pasag]

Heard on sport radio that Ponting came in at 4 because he was in the toilet and didn't have time to pad up after Hayden got out. Don't know what their source is for that though.

 

[Prince EWS]

Heard on sport radio that Ponting came in at 4 because he was in the toilet and didn't have time to pad up after Hayden got out. Don't know what their source is for that though.

Ponting himself. He said it in the post-match interview.

 

[Johnners]

Post retirement team for me would ideally be... (given that all are in form and injury free)

Jaques
Clarke/Watson
Ponting
Clarke/Watson
Symonds
Hussey
Haddin
Lee
Hauritz/Cullen
Bracken
Johnson

Hilfenhaus & White would be the rotational players. Eg. If Watson was rested, white goes in at 7, with the other batsmen moving up 1, and Hilfenhaus may come in for Haurtiz/Cullen

 

[pasag]

Ponting himself. He said it in the post-match interview.

Fair enough.

 

[kwigibo]

and obviously they want Hayden to make some runs so he can the opener in the WC.

I realize this is what they want, I can't for the life of me think of a good reason why though. I know none of my picks have any hope, but again I can't see the logic to it.

After all this time they still can't differentiate test cricket from one-day cricket. I thought when they dropped Taylor for Waugh they were done with false analogues forever. I was young and naive then of course.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I realize this is what they want, I can't for the life of me think of a good reason why though. I know none of my picks have any hope, but again I can't see the logic to it.

After all this time they still can't differentiate test cricket from one-day cricket. I thought when they dropped Taylor for Waugh they were done with false analogues forever. I was young and naive then of course.

I don't think it's about differentiating between the formats really. Hayden's obviously a popular guy in the team, and after he was dropped none of his replacements really grabbed the place for themselves. Katich did reasonably well but was eventually dropped when he had a poor DLF Cup, Jaques hasn't done much in his ODI chances aside from 94 on debut, and Watson is injured. If Jaques had been in form I'm sure they'd have picked him instead, and I think they should have regardless, but Hayden was the natural fallback position, and was doing okay in domestic one dayers as well as batting well in tests.

I'm sure they'd like to have Hayden in the team with his fielding and experience if he was making runs with the bat, but I don't think he'll make it to the WC if he keeps batting the way he has. Jaques or Watson will eventually displace him.

 

[pup11]

Spinner hold the key.

Guys all the ozi squads that u have suggested have hogg as the main spinner but he is not playing any games and the captain has'nt shown much confidence in him or any other spinner eg:- in his last 5 games hogg has only bowled 16 overs and he only bowled 5 overs in 2 games he played in india(wheres spinners love to bowl) during icc trophy so that really does'nt prepare him for the world cup does it.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

That would be because the selectors are clearly planning to go in with four or five seamers in the WC. Lee, Bracken, McGrath, one of Johnson or Clark and Watson, with Symonds as support. Hogg will obviously be the spinner if they pick one, and he'll play some games during this series, but I don't think he'll play more than a couple of games in the WC.

 

[pup11]

Four Man Pace Attack For The World Cup Nahh!!

The Aussie four man pace attack sounds exciting but not practical coz in west indies the tracks are going to be dead,flat,and slow and low on that sort of track binga is always ineffective, mitch is inexperienced and stuey clark will get whopped on such track , bracko and pidge can do the job with change in pace and variations but watson does'nt have these variations either.So thing is spinners will be key there every team . So wake up ozi's.

 

[pup11]

Aussies will be stupid if they expect symo and clarke to pick wickets for them at the world cup coz they might be good at stopping runs for a few overs but to expect them to take wickets of top class batsmen is stupidity good players will take them on and players from the sub-continent especially india who have made even warne look like a rookie will murder then so from will the wickets come coz fast bowlers will struggle there on slow pitches.

 

[Nate]

Fair point somewhere in that. Lee, McGrath, Bracken and Hogg should be the main for for mine, with a combination of Watson, Clarke and Symonds for the others.

 

[Slow Love™]

Uranus, surely?

LOL, If there was a Clanger category in the CW awards to balance up against the Skull, you'd have my nom.