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***Official*** Australian Domestic Thread 2014/15

Spark

Global Moderator
Clarke's sledge didn't follow an over from Johnson. It followed Anderson telling George Bailey he wanted to punch him in the face (or similar).

But in any case, this angle is barely relevant here. The reason we went the intimidation route last summer was because we had a bowler we could. At no point in cricket history has a team had a bowler like Johnson and refused to do the same.
 
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Blocky

Banned
Clarke's sledge didn't follow an over from Johnson. It followed Anderson telling George Bailey he wanted to punch him in the face (or similar).

But in any case, this angle is barely relevant here. The reason we went the intimidation route last summer was because we had a bowler we could. At no point in cricket history has a team had a bowler like Johnson and refused to do the same.
Sure... but if you're going to play within those guidelines then you have to accept the consequences should you state "I'm going to break your ****ing arm" and then actually injure someone.
 

Blocky

Banned
So basically it's Michael Clarke's fault that Hughes got hit by a bouncer.

Righto.
Go go strawman...

Basically, Michael Clarke shouldn't take lightly the idea of injuring someone on the cricket wicket, cause the results of an injury to a player are pretty horrifying when it's close and personal - i.e Hughes.
 

howardj

International Coach
I am sure he won't from now on

But to conflate the comment from last year with this unforseeable incident is out of order
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Nice to see people using tragedy as an excuse to push an agenda. Good stuff and stay classy.
 

Spikey

Request Your Custom Title Now!
look who finally got the goddamn memo

sachin tendulkar ‏@sachin_rt 3m3 minutes ago
Phil is fighting hard and we are with him in this fight. My prayers with him, his family and friends #prayforhughesy
 

andmark

International Captain
But eventually potential solutions have to be talked about whether now or slightly later. We can't just ignore the issue because the genuinely tragic circumstances exist; if anything, doesn't this incident mean we should be prioritising the use of the short ball as a discussion point?
 

Tangles

International Vice-Captain
It wouldn't be the same sport without the short ball. Just recognize it can be dangerous and prioritize safety. Gridiron has injuries despite the helmets. They just focus on making better helmets. Ice hockey must be similar with the threat from a high speed projectile. Use existing research and then do cricket specific research to move technology forward.

The Masuri guy says helmets haven't changed in 10 years. That's a problem because the world and science has. A professional sport needs to be prioritizing this.
 

andmark

International Captain
I can't get behind the line of thought that "it's not the bowler's fault, he didn't know it would happen". It's obvious that if Sean Abbot knew that the bouncer he was about to bowl would have caused this, he would have bowled a half volley in the off-side. But it seems ludicrous to say that a pace bowler doesn't intend to hurt a batsman when bowling a bouncer, he only intends to intimidate the batsman. The reason it intimidates the batsman is because the bowler is reminding him that he can hurt him, and so a bowler who bowls a bouncer must accept that they're taking a risk when bowling a bouncer. Thus surely a bowler must accept a degree of responsibility when it does go wrong like this? I don't want to sound harsh, and I'm sure Sean Abbot didn't want this to happen (who would?), but bowlers need to accept the dangers of bowling bouncers.

However, to then say that we shouldn't bowl bouncers at all seems to be an over reaction. Of course the equipment companies should always be looking for new ways of protecting the players, but it will probably never be perfect. Equally the bouncer should not be totally taken out, but do England really have to bowl bouncers at tailenders (or equally bowlers bowling them at Jimmy Anderson) for example, when the risks are most obviously higher when bowling them at tail enders? I remember reading about a match in the 70s between England and Pakistan. A Pakistani nightwatchman stuck around for a long time, defending everything. Eventually Bob Willis bowled a bouncer, injuring him and causing controversy. Eventually the TCCB made the sides give a list of unrecognised batsmen who the opposition weren't to bowl bouncers at. Whilst this wouldn't have helped Hughes, it would surely be a good next step to dealing with these dangers?
 

Spark

Global Moderator
If they bring in laws to restrict the use of bouncers to certain batsmen I'll deadset give up watching the game.
 

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