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Only topic he can talk about when Victoria plays.
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***Official*** Australian Domestic Thread 2014/15
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Nice bloke and has brains so he wouldnt
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Blews next game is on Sunday mate. Is anyone from here going to North Sydney Oval to watch it?
Spark
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Riggins
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andy bichel i think?
the big bambino
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Anyone else watching this? Coz it'll be over soon. Tasmania 6/12.
morgieb
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The former.
dermo
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doran's got the hsc to do which doesnt finish till november
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Yeah but the game is on a Sunday. He could surely take a break to play. I wouldn't pick him anyway, was just saying the game is on the weekend.
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Would be a distraction. Though if he is as good as he's made out to be, I doubt he'd need to worry about h4x marks that much
Spikey
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you still live in Adelaide though
iirc warner's parents made him reduce his cricketing load when he was in year 12 btw
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My lame attempts at a preview for the Sheffield Shield.
Sides are what I'd pick, not necessarily what the selectors may pick. Not selecting unavailable players or Test players. Brackets indicate the replacement if the guy winds up in our Test XI.
NSW:
1. Ryan Carters
2. Nic Maddinson
3. Scott Henry (with Doran breathing down his neck)
4. Kurtis Patterson
5. Ben Rohrer
6. Moises Henriques*
7. Peter Nevill+
8. Mitchell Starc (Trent Copeland)
9. Stephen O'Keefe
10. Josh Hazlewood
11. Doug Bollinger
The bowling looks damn impressive, and the depth is quite incredible too - Sandhu, Cummins and Abbott are all on the sidelines. The batting is pretty meh though, particularly given we'll probably pick 5 bowlers + Henriques again (). Will be up there again, but the batting looks a little too weak to really challenge, given that Smith probably won't be able to play at all.
Player to Watch: Nic Maddinson, if we want to go back-to-back he has to fire. Also I expect Hazlewood to have a ripping summer, particularly given he's now taking 5-fers.
Predicted Finish: 3rd
Queensland:
1. Nathan Reardon
2. Joe Burns
3. Usman Khawaja
4. Chris Lynn
5. Peter Forrest
6. James Hopes*
7. Chris Hartley+
8. Ben Cutting
9. Cameron Boyce
10. Alister McDermott
11. Luke Feldman
Openers look pretty weak - both of them can be considered manufactured openers. Beyond that though the side looks rather strong, and they should compete for the title. They need to get their bowling attack right though.
Player to Watch: Chris Lynn, I've always rated Lynn fairly highly and his record is one of the best out of the non-Test batsmen. A big summer could be enough to get in the Test side, given there's a still fairly noticeable gap at #3.
Predicted Finish: 1st
South Australia:
1. Phil Hughes (Sam Raphael, or ****ing the batting order around and picking Alex Ross, Lehmann jnr. or Kelvin Smith)
2. Mark Cosgrove
3. Travis Head
4. Tom Cooper
5. Callum Ferguson
6. Andrew McDonald (Kane Richardson/Joe Mennie when he predictably breaks down again, maybe even experiment with Lawford as an all-rounder)
7. Johan Botha*
8. Tim Ludeman+
9. Adam Zampa (Richardson/Mennie on a seaming pitch)
10. Gary Putland
11. Chadd Sayers
On paper, this lineup looks very, very strong. The main fault is that McDonald is rarely fit, and Berry has a hard-on for Ludeman. This leaves their balance shot in general. Plus it's South Australia. Failure seems to be in their blood.
Player to Watch: Travis Head, only a couple of months older than me, yet showed some really impressive during 2013/14 before a late season drop-off. Probably a year early for him, but A-team honours are not out of the question. Zampa is another who has a killer start to the season, and could be pushing for that second spinner slot by the end of the season.
Predicted Finish: 2nd
Tasmania:
1. Jordan Silk
2. Ed Cowan*
3. Alex Doolan (Michael Hill? Dom Michael? Maybe even Gulbis? Have NFI tbh)
4. Jonathan Wells
5. Ben Dunk
6. Tim Paine+
7. James Faulkner
8. Luke Butterworth
9. Ben Hilfenhaus
10. Sam Rainbird (Doherty on a turner)
11. Jackson Bird
Awful, awful batting. Makes NSW seem good, and they'll need the Top 3 to score 200 runs a game to stay competitive. Would look worse if Doolan plays for Australia. On the plus side, their bowling looks pretty awesome. 4 quicks who are gun at Shield level, and one more who looks rather promising.
Player to Watch: Jordan Silk. Still only 22, he looks like our long-term option at the top of the order, just grinding away runs with little fuss or flair. His FC record is good, but can he take it to the next level? I'll be keen to watch Rainbird as well, if things go right he could be a real prospect.
Predicted Finish: 5th
Victoria:
1. Rob Quiney
2. Aaron Finch
3. Peter Handscomb
4. Cameron White
5. David Hussey
6. Glenn Maxwell (Marcus Stoinis)
7. Matthew Wade*+
8. John Hastings
9. Clint McKay
10. Fawad Ahmed
11. Simon Boland
The antithesis to the rest of the Shield in that their batting is much better than their bowling. They'll struggle to take 20 wickets with that attack, though their Top 7 all have talent, something I can't honestly say about most of the other Shield sides. Still they were clearly last last year, and I'm not sure they'll be much better.
Player to Watch: James Muirhead, while he may struggle for games initially, and probably won't be very consistent, he does have an awful lot of potential. If Maxwell isn't in the Australian side, he'll average pretty ridiculous amounts when the Test side is away.
Predicted Finish: 6th
Western Australia:
1. Marcus Harris
2. Michael Klinger
3. Shaun Marsh (Cameron Bancroft until he recovers)
4. Adam Voges*
5. Ashton Turner
6. Mitchell Marsh (NFI. Do a NSW and pick 5 bowlers? There's plenty of choices - Rimmington, Paris, Duffield, Tye, etc...)
7. Sam Whiteman+
8. Ashton Agar
9. Nathan Coulter-Nile
10. Michael Hogan
11. Jason Behrendroff
Yet another line-up with a fairly spectacular bowling line-up with strong depth, but their batting is worrying. Given North has gone as well, that's a big chunk of the reason why the made the final last year gone, particularly with Shaun out for half the season, and Mitch in the Australian frame.
Player to Watch: Mitchell Marsh. He finally seems to putting his batting potential to paper, and a good season could be all it takes to be a regular in all 3 international formats. Heck, he's arguably there already in 2. I can see Behrendroff being a bolter for the Ashes if he has another season like he did last season.
Predicted Finish: 4th
Sides are what I'd pick, not necessarily what the selectors may pick. Not selecting unavailable players or Test players. Brackets indicate the replacement if the guy winds up in our Test XI.
NSW:
1. Ryan Carters
2. Nic Maddinson
3. Scott Henry (with Doran breathing down his neck)
4. Kurtis Patterson
5. Ben Rohrer
6. Moises Henriques*
7. Peter Nevill+
8. Mitchell Starc (Trent Copeland)
9. Stephen O'Keefe
10. Josh Hazlewood
11. Doug Bollinger
The bowling looks damn impressive, and the depth is quite incredible too - Sandhu, Cummins and Abbott are all on the sidelines. The batting is pretty meh though, particularly given we'll probably pick 5 bowlers + Henriques again (
). Will be up there again, but the batting looks a little too weak to really challenge, given that Smith probably won't be able to play at all.Player to Watch: Nic Maddinson, if we want to go back-to-back he has to fire. Also I expect Hazlewood to have a ripping summer, particularly given he's now taking 5-fers.
Predicted Finish: 3rd
Queensland:
1. Nathan Reardon
2. Joe Burns
3. Usman Khawaja
4. Chris Lynn
5. Peter Forrest
6. James Hopes*
7. Chris Hartley+
8. Ben Cutting
9. Cameron Boyce
10. Alister McDermott
11. Luke Feldman
Openers look pretty weak - both of them can be considered manufactured openers. Beyond that though the side looks rather strong, and they should compete for the title. They need to get their bowling attack right though.
Player to Watch: Chris Lynn, I've always rated Lynn fairly highly and his record is one of the best out of the non-Test batsmen. A big summer could be enough to get in the Test side, given there's a still fairly noticeable gap at #3.
Predicted Finish: 1st
South Australia:
1. Phil Hughes (Sam Raphael, or ****ing the batting order around and picking Alex Ross, Lehmann jnr. or Kelvin Smith)
2. Mark Cosgrove
3. Travis Head
4. Tom Cooper
5. Callum Ferguson
6. Andrew McDonald (Kane Richardson/Joe Mennie when he predictably breaks down again, maybe even experiment with Lawford as an all-rounder)
7. Johan Botha*
8. Tim Ludeman+
9. Adam Zampa (Richardson/Mennie on a seaming pitch)
10. Gary Putland
11. Chadd Sayers
On paper, this lineup looks very, very strong. The main fault is that McDonald is rarely fit, and Berry has a hard-on for Ludeman. This leaves their balance shot in general. Plus it's South Australia. Failure seems to be in their blood.
Player to Watch: Travis Head, only a couple of months older than me, yet showed some really impressive during 2013/14 before a late season drop-off. Probably a year early for him, but A-team honours are not out of the question. Zampa is another who has a killer start to the season, and could be pushing for that second spinner slot by the end of the season.
Predicted Finish: 2nd
Tasmania:
1. Jordan Silk
2. Ed Cowan*
3. Alex Doolan (Michael Hill? Dom Michael? Maybe even Gulbis? Have NFI tbh)
4. Jonathan Wells
5. Ben Dunk
6. Tim Paine+
7. James Faulkner
8. Luke Butterworth
9. Ben Hilfenhaus
10. Sam Rainbird (Doherty on a turner)
11. Jackson Bird
Awful, awful batting. Makes NSW seem good, and they'll need the Top 3 to score 200 runs a game to stay competitive. Would look worse if Doolan plays for Australia. On the plus side, their bowling looks pretty awesome. 4 quicks who are gun at Shield level, and one more who looks rather promising.
Player to Watch: Jordan Silk. Still only 22, he looks like our long-term option at the top of the order, just grinding away runs with little fuss or flair. His FC record is good, but can he take it to the next level? I'll be keen to watch Rainbird as well, if things go right he could be a real prospect.
Predicted Finish: 5th
Victoria:
1. Rob Quiney
2. Aaron Finch
3. Peter Handscomb
4. Cameron White
5. David Hussey
6. Glenn Maxwell (Marcus Stoinis)
7. Matthew Wade*+
8. John Hastings
9. Clint McKay
10. Fawad Ahmed
11. Simon Boland
The antithesis to the rest of the Shield in that their batting is much better than their bowling. They'll struggle to take 20 wickets with that attack, though their Top 7 all have talent, something I can't honestly say about most of the other Shield sides. Still they were clearly last last year, and I'm not sure they'll be much better.
Player to Watch: James Muirhead, while he may struggle for games initially, and probably won't be very consistent, he does have an awful lot of potential. If Maxwell isn't in the Australian side, he'll average pretty ridiculous amounts when the Test side is away.
Predicted Finish: 6th
Western Australia:
1. Marcus Harris
2. Michael Klinger
3. Shaun Marsh (Cameron Bancroft until he recovers)
4. Adam Voges*
5. Ashton Turner
6. Mitchell Marsh (NFI. Do a NSW and pick 5 bowlers? There's plenty of choices - Rimmington, Paris, Duffield, Tye, etc...)
7. Sam Whiteman+
8. Ashton Agar
9. Nathan Coulter-Nile
10. Michael Hogan
11. Jason Behrendroff
Yet another line-up with a fairly spectacular bowling line-up with strong depth, but their batting is worrying. Given North has gone as well, that's a big chunk of the reason why the made the final last year gone, particularly with Shaun out for half the season, and Mitch in the Australian frame.
Player to Watch: Mitchell Marsh. He finally seems to putting his batting potential to paper, and a good season could be all it takes to be a regular in all 3 international formats. Heck, he's arguably there already in 2. I can see Behrendroff being a bolter for the Ashes if he has another season like he did last season.
Predicted Finish: 4th
adub
International Captain
Yeah good effort, but I reckon you're a bit harsh on NSW's batting. Henry is an obvious weakness, but maybe Cazzulino can step up? (maybe not a huge improvement I know but...).
Against that though, Carters looks like he's in fine form again and should be better for last season. So we should have one of the best openners not in the test squad getting us away well every game.
Patterson is also looking in reasonable touch and will be better for having played a full Shield season. Rohrer isn't going to score 800 runs for the season, but he'll contribute like always. They'll bat 5-6 and do well enough I reckon. (Kurtis may even excell)
Moises looks like he's keen to move up the order and make more of his batting. That is great. With two tons last season including the gem in the final we know he has the tools, he just needs to deliver more often. I see him in the same boat TPC was a couple of years ago. Played tests as a no.8 but really more a top 6 bat who can contribute handy overs (though obvs more a true all rounder than Smith). Batting at 4 and likely captaining the side will force him to really lead the way with the bat. I think he'll go well - another couple of tons and a +45 ave for the season.
Nev at 7 will provide us at least as many runs as any other w/k in the Shield.
That line up alone should be enough to get us right up the table with the attack we have.
Like you said though Mad Dog is the key. If he has another ordinary year we'll still be there or there abouts come final time, but if he fires (and maybe it's just hope, but I think this year he'll fire) then we'll **** it in. Yes he'll throw his wicket away plenty, but he'll also score big and quickly enough times to set us up for o/r wins. I think he has to play the same game as Warner. Like Davey he just needs to learn how to pull it back just enough to stop holing out to mid wicket whilst still flying along at near run a ball. Amazingly for a guy who is still only 22 this is his 5th full season of Shield. It's time for him to stop teasing and I think he will.
So batting wise I don't think we line up too bad. Can't afford any injuries, but if these guys stay on the field we'll score enough runs to unleash our attack.
Bowling - well the only problem is who to leave out. With the issue of Henry continuing to look out of his depth there will be a very strong temptation to play Starc/SOK at 7/8 maybe push Nev up to 3 (not a massive fan of this, but can still see it happening) and get Cummins into the 11 (you know CA will be pushing for this). Even if we do that we'll still have Copes, Abbott and Sandhu up our sleeves so getting the 20 wickets should be pretty likely most games. And frankly I have a lot more faith in Starc or SOK scoring some runs for us than Henry so we probably don't lose anything on the batting side. Not my preferred option (come home Prince, or Uzi, or Silkers, or Coops, or Eddy, or Pete) but not terribad when you're unleashing Dougeh, Haze, Starceh, Cummins, SOK and Moi Moi on the opposition.
Put your money on another final in Canberra.
Against that though, Carters looks like he's in fine form again and should be better for last season. So we should have one of the best openners not in the test squad getting us away well every game.
Patterson is also looking in reasonable touch and will be better for having played a full Shield season. Rohrer isn't going to score 800 runs for the season, but he'll contribute like always. They'll bat 5-6 and do well enough I reckon. (Kurtis may even excell)
Moises looks like he's keen to move up the order and make more of his batting. That is great. With two tons last season including the gem in the final we know he has the tools, he just needs to deliver more often. I see him in the same boat TPC was a couple of years ago. Played tests as a no.8 but really more a top 6 bat who can contribute handy overs (though obvs more a true all rounder than Smith). Batting at 4 and likely captaining the side will force him to really lead the way with the bat. I think he'll go well - another couple of tons and a +45 ave for the season.
Nev at 7 will provide us at least as many runs as any other w/k in the Shield.
That line up alone should be enough to get us right up the table with the attack we have.
Like you said though Mad Dog is the key. If he has another ordinary year we'll still be there or there abouts come final time, but if he fires (and maybe it's just hope, but I think this year he'll fire) then we'll **** it in. Yes he'll throw his wicket away plenty, but he'll also score big and quickly enough times to set us up for o/r wins. I think he has to play the same game as Warner. Like Davey he just needs to learn how to pull it back just enough to stop holing out to mid wicket whilst still flying along at near run a ball. Amazingly for a guy who is still only 22 this is his 5th full season of Shield. It's time for him to stop teasing and I think he will.
So batting wise I don't think we line up too bad. Can't afford any injuries, but if these guys stay on the field we'll score enough runs to unleash our attack.
Bowling - well the only problem is who to leave out. With the issue of Henry continuing to look out of his depth there will be a very strong temptation to play Starc/SOK at 7/8 maybe push Nev up to 3 (not a massive fan of this, but can still see it happening) and get Cummins into the 11 (you know CA will be pushing for this). Even if we do that we'll still have Copes, Abbott and Sandhu up our sleeves so getting the 20 wickets should be pretty likely most games. And frankly I have a lot more faith in Starc or SOK scoring some runs for us than Henry so we probably don't lose anything on the batting side. Not my preferred option (come home Prince, or Uzi, or Silkers, or Coops, or Eddy, or Pete) but not terribad when you're unleashing Dougeh, Haze, Starceh, Cummins, SOK and Moi Moi on the opposition.
Put your money on another final in Canberra.