***Official***Australian Domestic Season Thread 2009/2010

[Top_Cat]

I don't think the selectors can pick their bowling attack based on reliability with bat. Surely you just pick your best 3 quicks, and if they suck at batting, so be it, but you have to back your batsmen to make the runs. Whether or not those 3 guys are the best bowlers (I'm not convinced they are) is another story, but I don't think you can pick them based on runs scored at say number 9.

Sorta what I'm saying but not. I agree you don't pick bowlers based on what they're going to do with the bat but if you have 3 genuine 11's in the side, you better make sure your batters are likely to do the job unless those guys are going to take enough wickets to offset weakening the batting. Otherwise, you need to shore up the batting and I don't think batting O'Brien at 6 counts.

Sure the top 4 didn't have the most productive game but to be fair to them, the pressure's on when your number 6 is, really, a number 8. They're missing Manou badly with the bat and a potent new-ball partner for George.

Mind you, as I said, it's not as if the selectors had much choice. Batting's at one of the lowest ebb's I've seen in SA for some time. Two tons in the Futures, both of them in the first match. Geez. In the absence of guns with the ball, I reckon SA need guys to share the load over a few bowlers and they at least should be able to hold a bat. I'd be looking to blood Richardson in the next few games too.

 

[Riggins]

What would be your team?

 

[brockley]

Funny both north and voges have been the most successful spinners by far and he will be dropped,who for steve smith who averages 75 per wkt.

 

[Riggins]

Funny both north and voges have been the most successful spinners by far and he will be dropped,who for steve smith who averages 75 per wkt.

haha true, I personally wouldn't really care that much because i reckon smith is just a plain batsmen, so who cares if he cant bowl, but I think there are other guys I would rather have batting six.

 

[Top_Cat]

What would be your team?

TBh, I'm not completely sure. Don't think the batting's in too much trouble, just suffering from the pressure brought upon by the wayward bowling a bit. The signs were bad in WA and today's finish was the culmination of that.

In the absence of someone tearing it up in Adelaide grade, temped to stick with the current lot and go with;

Mass
Smith
Klinger
Cosgrove
Borgas
Ludeman
Christian
O'Brien
Duval/Cleary (depending on fitness)
Haberfield
George

Basically, George needs an experienced partner with the new-ball so either Cleary (Duval if he's injured). The back-up can be any of Haberfield/Putland/Richardson depending on form but I prefer Haberfield at this point. Tempting to keep Ludeman even if Manou came back but I think Borgas' ability to hit big tons, even if it's only once a bloody season, is pretty handy.

The 3rd pacer is a big issue for the team, really. George and Cleary bowl tightly enough but I'd have Christian as 1st change to do a job, as he was earlier in the season. With O'Brien as the 5th, that frees up the 4th bowler to be a wicket-taking bowling you're not too worried about as far as runs-per-overs go. Having Haberfield/Putland in the same side with Bailey just gives up too many runs and quickly.

 

[brockley]

is borgas -playing for scotland again?

 

[Riggins]

TBh, I'm not completely sure. Don't think the batting's in too much trouble, just suffering from the pressure brought upon by the wayward bowling a bit. The signs were bad in WA and today's finish was the culmination of that.

In the absence of someone tearing it up in Adelaide grade, temped to stick with the current lot and go with;

Mass
Smith
Klinger
Cosgrove
Borgas
Ludeman
Christian
O'Brien
Duval/Cleary (depending on fitness)
Haberfield
George

Interesting. But you're earlier post was about selection not being right, and shoring up the batting of the current team, which you haven't really addressed by just switching ludeman and o'brien around in the order. If anything the already weak tail just looks longer, I don't really like the idea of ludeman at 6. (Obviously the batting does improve with christian available for state duties but wasn't an option for this game)

Respectfully, I guess I just thought from the way you made your points that you would do things differently rather than just prefer the guys out of the side currently to come back from injury/national team.

is borgas -playing for scotland again?

I'm pretty sure I heard he was going back, but I can't remember 100%.

 

[Top_Cat]

Respectfully, I guess I just thought from the way you made your points that you would do things differently rather than just prefer the guys out of the side currently to come back from injury/national team.

There's a serious absence of qualified replacements, though. The likely ones (Delmont/J Borgas/Oswald-Jacobs) haven't kicked-on this year and I don't think the SA selectors will go for Luke Williams, despite topping the runs.

Ideally I'd not have Ludeman at 6 either but I can't see anyone else who could bat there, Christian possibly. Ludeman at 6 would be shoring up the batting at the moment. That's fairly diabolical, really.

 

[brockley]

Maybe the redbacks better raid the blues again.

 

[Prince EWS]

There's a serious absence of qualified replacements, though. The likely ones (Delmont/J Borgas/Oswald-Jacobs) haven't kicked-on this year and I don't think the SA selectors will go for Luke Williams, despite topping the runs.

He's not going that badly - averaging 65 in Grade.

 

[Kylez]

TBh, I'm not completely sure. Don't think the batting's in too much trouble, just suffering from the pressure brought upon by the wayward bowling a bit. The signs were bad in WA and today's finish was the culmination of that.

In the absence of someone tearing it up in Adelaide grade, temped to stick with the current lot and go with;

Mass
Smith
Klinger
Cosgrove
Borgas
Ludeman
Christian
O'Brien
Duval/Cleary (depending on fitness)
Haberfield
George

Basically, George needs an experienced partner with the new-ball so either Cleary (Duval if he's injured). The back-up can be any of Haberfield/Putland/Richardson depending on form but I prefer Haberfield at this point. Tempting to keep Ludeman even if Manou came back but I think Borgas' ability to hit big tons, even if it's only once a bloody season, is pretty handy.

The 3rd pacer is a big issue for the team, really. George and Cleary bowl tightly enough but I'd have Christian as 1st change to do a job, as he was earlier in the season. With O'Brien as the 5th, that frees up the 4th bowler to be a wicket-taking bowling you're not too worried about as far as runs-per-overs go. Having Haberfield/Putland in the same side with Bailey just gives up too many runs and quickly.

Yeah agree with the side you named, wouldn't have Duval in the 4 day team though..yet to bowl a real threatening spell in first class cricket and has batted better than he has bowled. If Cleary is injured ( he is back now though ) and you want an experiecned new ball partner..maybe go for Alan Wise? he would be better a replacement for Cleary then Duval IMO. For the 1st change role I'd go Haberfield at this point aswell but what about Chadd Sayers? he seems to rip it up every season, don't know how he been going with the ball this season but would he be worth a go? If so, he would have to take the new ball though wouldn't he? Don't really want that at the moment.

Only batsmen I can see breaking into the team are Jason Borgas..Camerons brother, and maybe Micheal Cranmer, hes more of an allrounder but he has been included in the squad a few times this season, Wish Ferguson wasn't injured.

Hopefully the redbacks can win their last FRC match tommorow, I think the squad should be released today.

 

[Top_Cat]

He's not going that badly - averaging 65 in Grade.

One ton all year, though. Christ, even Matty Weeks has a ton this year. Considering it's Adelaide grade here, full of medium pacers and flat decks, It's just not enough to push for a state spot. Both his brothers have played ahead of him in Futures so I gather he's not even in the picture anyway.

I reckon the short-term solution with the batting lies with Christian scoring runs at 6 if Ludeman is to be batting lower. The bowling is much tougher to solve but I'm probably jumping the gun a bit; the young blokes who won the U/17's tournament a year or so ago are starting to make their presence felt and they did it on the back of their bowling. So perhaps the problem with disappear fairly soon.

At the moment, though, you have a grade season where average med-swingers, dominating against batters who can't play anything off the straight, who then get bashed when they step up to Futures even. Just a low standard comp right now and that's reflected in the state team where half are there from stuff they did years ago and the other half are blow-ins.

 

[Kylez]

Redbacks Squad for the FRC game tommorow.

Graham Manou returns to the captaincy and keeping duties following his successful knee surgery.

Mark Cosgrove will be rested as part of managing his niggling wrist injury with a view to ensuring his fit for the Redback’s two forthcoming Weet-Bix Sheffield matches. James Smith will take his place in limited overs format.

Daniel Christian is out on Australian duties in New Zealand while Kane Richardson remains in the squad and is joined by fellow ICC Under-19 World Cup performer, Ben Dougall.

Ben Dougall is an 18-year old left-handed batsman from Murray Bridge currently playing for East Torrens. He has represented South Australia in the Under-17’s and Under-19’s as well as this season’s Futures League squad. He was also rewarded with Australian selection in the Under-19 Championships in 2009-10 and was named in the Under-19 Australian squad for the recent ICC World Cup 2010.

Ford Ranger Cup
West End Redbacks v RTA Speedblitz Blues
Wednesday 24 February 2010, Adelaide Oval

Graham Manou
Cameron Borgas
Tom Cooper
Ben Dougall
Peter George
Jake Haberfield
Daniel Harris
Michael Klinger
Aaron O'Brien
Gary Putland
Kane Richardson
James Smith


In: Graham Manou, James Smith, Ben Dougall.
Out: Tim Ludeman, Mark Cosgrove (wrist injury management), Daniel Christian (Australian duties).

Thought Cosgroves wrist was completley healed. TBH I don't like the look of that squad too much, bowling lacks experience..don't know about Dougalls selection either I would of gone with Duval or cleary which would add some extra batting aswell as bowling experience, James Smith dosen't look the best OD player either.

Manou's back, Top Cat will be dissapointed

 

[Top_Cat]

Haha, yeah but only because Ludeman's out. Manou being in is good if he's fit.

There's gotta be a reason why Cleary is missing out. Must be doubt about getting through his overs still. Nice to see Kane Richardson getting a go! Not seen Dougall myself but he has big wraps on him.

 

[Riggins]

If Cleary is injured ( he is back now though ) and you want an experiecned new ball partner..maybe go for Alan Wise? he would be better a replacement for Cleary then Duval IMO. For the 1st change role I'd go Haberfield at this point aswell but what about Chadd Sayers? he seems to rip it up every season, don't know how he been going with the ball this season but would he be worth a go? If so, he would have to take the new ball though wouldn't he? Don't really want that at the moment.

Only batsmen I can see breaking into the team are Jason Borgas..Camerons brother, and maybe Micheal Cranmer, hes more of an allrounder but he has been included in the squad a few times this season.

Would like to see Cleary back coz he's a gun, but I also rate Wise even though he hasn't played much (at all?) for s.a this year. Chadd Sayers should be a long way off, takes poles in grade cricket but gets pumped by good players in the futures league, would be even more dire in the shield.

With the batting, I don't think they would go back to J Borgas, as much as I would love to see it. He got sawn off by the saca's even though he averaged 40 in his season of shield, but why would that suprise anyone with the saca's, they must have had better players in the sheds On Cranmer, hasn't made too many runs this year, and he is not more of an allrounder.

Both his brothers have played ahead of him in Futures so I gather he's not even in the picture anyway.

Yea I don't think they'd go back to JBorg, but he does only have 1 brother

 

[Kylez]

Haha, yeah but only because Ludeman's out. Manou being in is good if he's fit.

There's gotta be a reason why Cleary is missing out. Must be doubt about getting through his overs still. Nice to see Kane Richardson getting a go! Not seen Dougall myself but he has big wraps on him.

Yeah, has to be some reason, they might be being cautious about his injury like they are with Cosgrove and saving him for next couple of shield games. Has been bowling a fair few overs lately though and bowling well to so if he isn't in the squad for next shield game then I'll assinate the selectors :ninja:

 

[Kylez]

Would like to see Cleary back coz he's a gun, but I also rate Wise even though he hasn't played much (at all?) for s.a this year. Chadd Sayers should be a long way off, takes poles in grade cricket but gets pumped by good players in the futures league, would be even more dire in the shield.

With the batting, I don't think they would go back to J Borgas, as much as I would love to see it. He got sawn off by the saca's even though he averaged 40 in his season of shield, but why would that suprise anyone with the saca's, they must have had better players in the sheds On Cranmer, hasn't made too many runs this year, and he is not more of an allrounder.




Yea I don't think they'd go back to JBorg, but he does only have 1 brother

Issiah Borgas is their cousin, Don't think sayers would be too bad I remember he took 7fer in a futures game not too long ago. Haven't you seen cranmer bowl before?

 

[Top_Cat]

Would like to see Cleary back coz he's a gun, but I also rate Wise even though he hasn't played much (at all?) for s.a this year. Chadd Sayers should be a long way off, takes poles in grade cricket but gets pumped by good players in the futures league, would be even more dire in the shield.

With the batting, I don't think they would go back to J Borgas, as much as I would love to see it. He got sawn off by the saca's even though he averaged 40 in his season of shield, but why would that suprise anyone with the saca's, they must have had better players in the sheds On Cranmer, hasn't made too many runs this year, and he is not more of an allrounder.

Agree with all that, especially on Sayers. Cookie-cutter seam-up swing bowler just like his Dad.

Yea I don't think they'd go back to JBorg, but he does only have 1 brother

Isiah Borgas not a rele? I haven't played for a while so relying on mates who still do. Might have to fire the source....

 

[Kylez]

Agree with all that, especially on Sayers. Cookie-cutter seam-up swing bowler just like his Dad.



Isiah Borgas not a rele?

Cousin.

 

[Riggins]

Agree with all that, especially on Sayers. Cookie-cutter seam-up swing bowler just like his Dad.

Isiah Borgas not a rele? I haven't played for a while so relying on mates who still do. Might have to fire the source....

As far as I can remember, they may be cousins as Kylez says, but I don't think first cousins at that.

Issiah Borgas is their cousin, Don't think sayers would be too bad I remember he took 7fer in a futures game not too long ago. Haven't you seen cranmer bowl before?

Isaiah is related, but I don't think first cousins. If I recall correctly Sayers's 7for was on a very green wicket when it was wet as on the east coast (melb?) where seam bowlers in general took wickets galore and the game finished quick, I think S.A lost inside 3 days (maybe even 2 days?) I have seen Cranmer bowl a lot, and would respectfully disagree with your assessment of him as an all-rounder. Have you seen him bowl?