Prince EWS
Global Moderator
His T20 figures are actually pretty good IIRC, especially for Victoria. He was a frontline bowler for them.
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*Official* Australia vs Pakistan in England
- Thread starter pasag
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Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Wow really..thats awesome...I didnt get to see the T20s nor the Asia Cup..but I am hoping he gets fitter and can remain fit and quick at least till the World Cup next year.
As happy as I am after the 2-0, it has more to to do with Pakistan's terrible losing streak since December last year..so any win was welcome. However I dont have much hope for the Tests..Australia is the number 2 team in the world, England is perhaps the number 3 team in the world..and Pakistan is playing them away from home...Yousuf and Younis, who are considered the best in the country struggle outside the subcontinent...so when your batting line up comprises of Butt, Shahzaib, Mallik, Umar (the lone bright spot) and Afridi, up against Johnson, Bollinger, Anderson, Broad, Finn..cant have hopes to high..
I am just looking forward to watching Asif and Aamer bowl on seaming conditions...and Umar develop some temperament and patience at the test level.
blahblahblah
International 12th Man
but black warrior, even the australians arent any good as of now
consider the fact that the australian team no more has its bowlers which made it invincible
and i dont think shaun tait who cant bowl more than spell of 2 overs can do much in test cricket.even theiir genuine spinner is injured
so if pakistan take this well, they have every chance
but, the australians just can make about a comeback form any damn position, but with ponting in such a form and they themselves not able to find a successful opening pair once hayden and langer retired, they sure are into troubles
more over, themain motive with australians is that they wouldnt want to go into the ashes which is their most important test series for over the past 100 years or so with a defeat to someone like pakistan
so they sure will be upto the challenge and if under such circumstances also ,pakistan does something godd, it will be a great achievement
and i surely think pakis have got a chance, man this afridi is a good captain
consider the fact that the australian team no more has its bowlers which made it invincible
and i dont think shaun tait who cant bowl more than spell of 2 overs can do much in test cricket.even theiir genuine spinner is injured
so if pakistan take this well, they have every chance
but, the australians just can make about a comeback form any damn position, but with ponting in such a form and they themselves not able to find a successful opening pair once hayden and langer retired, they sure are into troubles
more over, themain motive with australians is that they wouldnt want to go into the ashes which is their most important test series for over the past 100 years or so with a defeat to someone like pakistan
so they sure will be upto the challenge and if under such circumstances also ,pakistan does something godd, it will be a great achievement
and i surely think pakis have got a chance, man this afridi is a good captain
Xuhaib
International Coach
yeah exactly the only positive that Pakistan can gain from this tour if some of the youngsters gain valuable tough test cricket experience and hopefully they look like a settled team once the tour is over, any wins in the test matches will be a surprise and huge bonus.
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Such as?
pasag
RTDAS
Only really hear that Pakistan is the best Twenty20 side in the world from Pakistani fans. They are pretty good, but to give them the title of unequivocally best side is nonsense, they're not. I mean you call Aus a "fluke" Twenty20 side (what does that even mean?), could say the same thing about Pak really. I mean, we just won three in a row against them, then they win a couple and all of a sudden we're the fluke side.
Not saying that they are bad, just don't think they are inherently better or worse than say India, SA, SL, Aus, England, NZ or even the WI. Best bowling attack though.
Not saying that they are bad, just don't think they are inherently better or worse than say India, SA, SL, Aus, England, NZ or even the WI. Best bowling attack though.
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pasag
RTDAS
Spark
Global Moderator
Terrible, innit?
Avada Kedavra
Banned
Warner lbw and Johnson lbw.Both were going way down leg....
Fusion
Global Moderator
You only hear that from Pakistani fans? I’ve read quotes from opposing players that state the same. They have performed exceptionally well at the WC in this format and have consistently won matches overall. Now the part about Australia being a “fluke” team (only stated by one poster AFAIK) or Pakistan being unequivocally the best side I don’t agree with at all. However when you talk about the best 3 sides in the format, most people will either have Pakistan right at the top or amongst the top 3. Your last point about them having the best bowling attack is actually the primary reason for their excellence in this format.
pasag
RTDAS
Yeah, pretty much. Most others realise that there isn't a best side at the format.
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Fusion
Global Moderator
If you are only contesting the “best” label, then I agree with you. If your point is that they are not a clear cut top side and any one of the 7 teams you listed in your earlier post can claim to be better than I strongly disagree. I think their record clearly show them to be ranked within the top 3, something that not every team can claim IMO. We maybe arguing semantics though, so I’ll just let it go at that.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Think the nature of the format means pretty much anyone can beat anyone else on any given day. I mean, we're the world champions (
) but were beaten by (no offence to them) Holland barely a year ago in our home world cup at Lords.
Will also say Pakistan only made the 2010 semis thanks to English largesse; if we hadn't have been professional and beaten the kiwis in what was for us a dead rubber they'd have gone out in the Super 8s. In fact Sir Alex debated with all and sundry at great length about what a travesty their qualification was. Didn't agree with him, but there was a hint of spawn about their progress, whereas Oz's first defeat was in the final ( again).
) but were beaten by (no offence to them) Holland barely a year ago in our home world cup at Lords.Will also say Pakistan only made the 2010 semis thanks to English largesse; if we hadn't have been professional and beaten the kiwis in what was for us a dead rubber they'd have gone out in the Super 8s. In fact Sir Alex debated with all and sundry at great length about what a travesty their qualification was. Didn't agree with him, but there was a hint of spawn about their progress, whereas Oz's first defeat was in the final (
again).
Umar_Akmal
Banned
Who says 20/20 is not for bowlers? Pakistan is best in 20/20 because of their bowlers 
pasag
RTDAS
Yeah spot on. But I think there certainly is an opportunity for a side to be out and out the best in the world (for example if a side had India's bats and Pak's bowlers that side would never lose a match, ever) it just doesn't really exist yet.Think the nature of the format means pretty much anyone can beat anyone else on any given day. I mean, we're the world champions (
Will also say Pakistan only made the 2010 semis thanks to English largesse; if we hadn't have been professional and beaten the kiwis in what was for us a dead rubber they'd have gone out in the Super 8s. In fact Sir Alex debated with all and sundry at great length about what a travesty their qualification was. Didn't agree with him, but there was a hint of spawn about their progress, whereas Oz's first defeat was in the final (
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Gul the best bowler by far considering the the average and the strike rate. Econ rate is at par with everyone.Who says 20/20 is not for bowlers? Pakistan is best in 20/20 because of their bowlers
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Not something i suggested. But i certainly mean it in every sense that Australia is a fluke T20 team. Had it not been for the once in a life time innings from Hussey Pak was going in to the final of the WC for the third straight time and who knows how they would have dealt with England. Looking at what Umar Akmal has posted the top guy for Pak Gul was also missing.
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
Not only from Pak fans. A number of other people believe Pakistan is arguably the best T20 side....like Fusion said, if not number 1 then certainly number 2 hands down.
Faisal1985
International Vice-Captain
yup.