*Official* Australia v England post-Ashes ODI series

[Top_Cat]

Bloke could be a really good ODI bowler, he's definitely wicket-taker, but his slower ball is trash and can't get the yorker up there late overs so guys like Butler can get underneath him and use the pace. Hasn't sorted out whether he wants to be the sort of bowler who bowls a slow bouncer or a quick one for variation, just seems to try **** and hope it doesn't get whacked (which it sure did today).

Needs to get the new nurry and bowl in the middle overs if he's to stay in the side, definitely not a death bowler. I'd personally use him the way Clarke used Lee: give him 3 overs and if he's not blowing, keep him going otherwise yank him out. Probably shouldn't get a guaranteed 10 unless he's on his game but he'd be good partnership breaker for overs 20-40.

EDIT: Cummins, obv.

 

[Top_Cat]

Some of the shots by Buttler were seriously ridiculous, though. The amount of power he gets on the ball when he just muscles the ball through the on-side wide of mid-on is borderline otherworldly, let alone his well-known shots to the full ones. So hard to captain against a guy who can do that.

 

[Furball]

lol how do you not chase that when you bat a full 50?

 

[Top_Cat]

Another under-rated factor; 12 wides and a loss by 16 runs. The ones in the death particularly hurt against Buttler, gave him an extra ball or two to bash.

 

[Anil]

how did england get so good in one dayers? beating australia in australia, well done!

 

[Adders]

Love claiming a bounced catch do the Poms. It’s one of the 2,743,856 reasons they’re so despised.

Waaaaahhhhhhh

 

[Starfighter]

I just reckon the Australian hierarchy have gone to sleep with regards to planning for the 2019 WC over the past 12 months and seemed to think what worked in 2015 will work again.

Glenn Maxwell worked pretty well in the 2015 WC iirc and they're not trying him.

 

[burr]

Watching all those chickens Australia hatched coming home to roost in their own backyard so the short-sighted public stand up and take notice is delicious. Lehmann repeatedly guffing off coaching the one-day side. Selectors/management repeatedly not picking/playing their best side so they no longer even know what their best side is. Coach (and I assume captain) failing to recognise how tactics of others teams such as England have moved the game on (see CT, we have nothing to learn) etc. Oh, this loss was sooo well earned. Taste it.

 

[Zinzan]

That is easily the worst decision I have ever seen in my life.

You can't have watched much cricket then. There's been multiple decisions far worse than that one... just have a look at you tube.

 

[Zinzan]

Well played England, don't think it will be quite so easy for them in New Zealand though. Should be a great series.

How was the form of the Barmy Army though, "We're going to win 5-4" ! lol

 

[Zinzan]

Anyway it's probably not the worst thing for everyone to wake up and realise that this side is **** now, not in a year.

Indeed, they haven't evolved at all since 2015 have they. In fact if anything they've deteriorated.

It amazes me Maxwell isn't considered good enough to make this side. Averaging 32 in ODI cricket, with a SR of 123.

 

[ImpatientLime]

pls don't pick jake ball pls don't pick jake ball pls don't pick jake ball

 

[TheJediBrah]

Stoinis looks like a juiced up eastern bloc weightlifter

lol wut he's like 90kg soaking wet

great physique for cricket though

Indeed, they haven't evolved at all since 2015 have they. In fact if anything they've deteriorated.

It amazes me Maxwell isn't considered good enough to make this side. Averaging 32 in ODI cricket, with a SR of 123.

They seriously disregarding his scoring rate in all this. Its makes a huge difference having him coming in at 5 or 6 even if he only gets 30 or 40 it's off 20-odd balls.

And not having Maxwell is the only real difference in the side from 2015 (also Faulkner but he's **** now), they're just out of form

 

[Zinzan]

They seriously disregarding his scoring rate in all this. Its makes a huge difference having him coming in at 5 or 6 even if he only gets 30 or 40 it's off 20-odd balls.

And not having Maxwell is the only real difference in the side from 2015 (also Faulkner but he's **** now), they're just out of form[

Don't forget you had Clarke as skipper, and Johnson too.

But yeah, one of the main strengths of their 2015 campaign is how deep and powerful their batting was, and whilst I do like Stoinis, they're really missing Maxwell & Faulkner down the order.

 

[marc71178]

pls don't pick jake ball pls don't pick jake ball pls don't pick jake ball

Better him then Willey

 

[quincywagstaff]

Watching all those chickens Australia hatched coming home to roost in their own backyard so the short-sighted public stand up and take notice is delicious. Lehmann repeatedly guffing off coaching the one-day side. Selectors/management repeatedly not picking/playing their best side so they no longer even know what their best side is. Coach (and I assume captain) failing to recognise how tactics of others teams such as England have moved the game on (see CT, we have nothing to learn) etc. Oh, this loss was sooo well earned. Taste it.

Yep, a lot of bad habits have crept into how they've handled their ODI cricket post WC 15.

Initially they were able to get away with it because of the sheer talent in the side but there were bad signs in their overseas ODI performances in 2016 and they literally could only get a single win in 2017 away. As you say, Australian cricket tends to ignore overseas ODIs as long as they win at home so losing this will probably be good for them in the long run.

 

[quincywagstaff]

The Cameron White situation sums up the lack of direction with the ODI side. Last season when he was left out of a ODI squad despite excellent domestic form, Trevor Hohns came out publicly and said White's ODI career hadn't been anything special; you would've put your house at that point on White never getting another lookin.

Yet here we are 12 months later and not only is White back in the side but for a must-win game he was put into the pivotal No. 3 spot.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yep, a lot of bad habits have crept into how they've handled their ODI cricket post WC 15.

Initially they were able to get away with it because of the sheer talent in the side but there were bad signs in their overseas ODI performances in 2016 and they literally could only get a single win in 2017 away. As you say, Australian cricket tends to ignore overseas ODIs as long as they win at home so losing this will probably be good for them in the long run.

I wonder if constantly resting players had an impact on that. As you mentioned they lost almost every away game lately, and they had the excuse of fielding almost A-sides with many of the first-choice players rested. And now the first-choice team comes together and they haven't played together? Could be a factor

 

[Black_Warrior]

So Steve Smith wants the soft signal ruling to be scrapped now but was okay with it few weeks ago when it was used to give Stuart Broad out in the 4th test

Smith calls for end of 'soft signal' rulings - ESPNcricinfo

 

[Zinzan]

So Steve Smith wants the soft signal ruling to be scrapped now but was okay with it few weeks ago when it was used to give Stuart Broad out in the 4th test

Lol, He's hardly going to complain about it when it goes in his teams favour is he now. Human nature 101.