*Official* Australia v England post-Ashes ODI series

[flibbertyjibber]

Was thinking about this during last night's chase actually. 95% of Ch 9 viewers would not have seen England since the 2015 WC, and those same viewers would just take it for granted that Aus always kicks Englands arse in One Day cricket.

I reckon a lot of people would be thinking WTF is going on here watching these first couple of games.

Good innit.

 

[Adders]

they need to win something before we can start declaring them the best batting unit this decade. the potential is there no doubt but they have to deliver.

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Definitely, as nice as it is for them to be tearing it up in these jamodi's it doesn't really count for ****. The CT was a major let down for this side, it was there on a plate for them really and they pretty much bottled it.....all the batting records and impressive stats are not going to make the world take them seriously......only world trophies will.

 

[S.Kennedy]

And Morgan was blaming the wicked, after that Champions Trophy defeat haha

 

[MW1304]

Definitely, as nice as it is for them to be tearing it up in these jamodi's it doesn't really count for ****. The CT was a major let down for this side, it was there on a plate for them really and they pretty much bottled it.....all the batting records and impressive stats are not going to make the world take them seriously......only world trophies will.

Not sure about this tbh. Looks that way on paper but Pakistan ran the tournament rampant by a certain point; nobody was beating them, as proven by the final where they demolished a really solid Indian team.

 

[Groundking]

Not sure about this tbh. Looks that way on paper but Pakistan ran the tournament rampant by a certain point; nobody was beating them, as proven by the final where they demolished a really solid Indian team.

We're a much better chasing team IMO, and our batting just couldn't get going in that innings. I wasn't really surprised that we lost tbh.

 

[Burgey]

Reaching a final and a semifinal is hardly what I'd call ballsing up, though they didn't play well against Pakistan in that match. You need a bit of luck to make sure you peak at exactly the right time during ICC tournaments.

The acceptance of that type of mediocrity is the very thing that has made England a crap LO side since the 1970s.

 

[oblongballs]

Cannot help but feel all of this one-day success has come at the expense of the test team.

Most of these guys don't play test cricket, even though some of them could be in the side. I don't see the overlap.

they need to win something before we can start declaring them the best batting unit this decade. the potential is there no doubt but they have to deliver.

they have after ballsed up two international tournaments since the white ball revolution they went through.

I agree, they have to win a tournament to truly solidify that place AS A TEAM but as a pure batting unit, I don't see why winning a tournament would crown them? The bowling also has to play a part in that, as do conditions and ultimately, a bit of luck. England were unstoppable last CT but came up against a rampant Pakistan side and that happens. But would we really hold anyone else as true challengers? Especially in England? The India that dropped catches v Pakistan and lost to SL would certainly have been wiped away just as easily as Australia. SA? They choke repeatedly.

As a batting unit, I can't remember a side scoring so much, so quickly and so often. There have been sides with better names, Tendulkar/Kohli/Dhoni in a batting line up not so long ago, but they were not nearly as effective in a similar period of times (2-ish years).

 

[S.Kennedy]

The acceptance of that type of mediocrity is the very thing that has made England a crap LO side since the 1970s.

England had a fairly good one-day team until 1992 (three times runners-up). In the 1992 World Cup they were consistently the best team. You are however correct for the period after that; 1996 - 2015 England were rancid at one-dayers.

 

[Zinzan]

Was thinking about this during last night's chase actually. 95% of Ch 9 viewers would not have seen England since the 2015 WC, and those same viewers would just take it for granted that Aus always kicks Englands arse in One Day cricket.

I reckon a lot of people would be thinking WTF is going on here watching these first couple of games.

Nah, the commentators, as out of touch as they are in many areas would be well aware how England transformed their one day game.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Most of these guys don't play test cricket, even though some of them could be in the side. I don't see the overlap.

That wasn't really my point though. My point was much broader than that. Since Strauss joined the ECB all the priorities have been towards limited overs cricket. Championship fixtures have been reduced whilst twenty20 has increased (and will so again when 2020 arrives); twenty20 now clogs up high-summer, the time we should be developing first-class skills on baked wickets; players have been released for IPL instead of playing for their counties; counties have been forced to rest players during championship matches ahead of one-day bilateral fluff; players have been encouraged to play ''attacking'' cricket which results in your few test players that do play the one-day stuff, your Roots, Alis and Bairstows, playing airy-fairy wafts off off-stump and reckless cross pad shots in the first few overs of an Ashes test; players do not, and are not even encouraged to, build innings any more; Bayliss was basically brought in as a ''twenty20 coach'' (Sydney Sixers, Kolcatta knightriders) for the purposes of making England strong in the limited overs' cricket - the test team's priorities took a backseat.

The entire culture of English cricket has been directed away from first-class/test cricket, and towards limited overs' stuff. The result is that the test team is a shambles whereas the one-day team is superb.

 

[Adders]

Nah, the commentators, as out of touch as they are in many areas would be well aware how England transformed their one day game.

Was talking about the TV viewers not the comms ftr.

 

[Burgey]

England had a fairly good one-day team until 1992 (three times runners-up). In the 1992 World Cup they were consistently the best team. You are however correct for the period after that; 1996 - 2015 England were rancid at one-dayers.

I know what you’re saying, but that just sort of made them three-time first among losers.

I’m not saying that to rag on England btw, it’s just my own attitude to LO Cricket - World Cups or bust. I know not everyone shares that view and fair enough, but I just hold he view that they’re all that matters.

So if Australia suddenly performs well in T20s for a year or two but stinks it up in the WT20 (like they always have) then they’re ****ed imo.

 

[Zinzan]

Was talking about the TV viewers not the comms ftr.

So you were.

 

[S.Kennedy]

I know what you’re saying, but that just sort of made them three-time first among losers.

I’m not saying that to rag on England btw, it’s just my own attitude to LO Cricket - World Cups or bust. I know not everyone shares that view and fair enough, but I just hold he view that they’re all that matters.

So if Australia suddenly performs well in T20s for a year or two but stinks it up in the WT20 (like they always have) then they’re ****ed imo.

The only one-dayers I watch are world cups unless I'm bored and there is nothing else on. I almost never watch the end of series bilaterals.

 

[Rssll]

That wasn't really my point though. My point was much broader than that. Since Strauss joined the ECB all the priorities have been towards limited overs cricket. Championship fixtures have been reduced whilst twenty20 has increased (and will so again when 2020 arrives); twenty20 now clogs up high-summer, the time we should be developing first-class skills on baked wickets; players have been released for IPL instead of playing for their counties; counties have been forced to rest players during championship matches ahead of one-day bilateral fluff; players have been encouraged to play ''attacking'' cricket which results in your few test players that do play the one-day stuff, your Roots, Alis and Bairstows, playing airy-fairy wafts off off-stump and reckless cross pad shots in the first few overs of an Ashes test; players do not, and are not even encouraged to, build innings any more; Bayliss was basically brought in as a ''twenty20 coach'' (Sydney Sixers, Kolcatta knightriders) for the purposes of making England strong in the limited overs' cricket - the test team's priorities took a backseat.

The entire culture of English cricket has been directed away from first-class/test cricket, and towards limited overs' stuff. The result is that the test team is a shambles whereas the one-day team is superb.

That's not entirely unique to English cricket though. Similar changes have taken place in Australia over the last 5-10 years. I don't think England have been handicapped that much more than Australia or other nations with regard to first class cricket being affected by the growth of limited overs cricket.

 

[S.Kennedy]

That's not entirely unique to English cricket though. Similar changes have taken place in Australia over the last 5-10 years. I don't think England have been handicapped that much more than Australia or other nations with regard to first class cricket being affected by the growth of limited overs cricket.

Really? Your boy Smith seems to be able to build an innings. And the other test playing nations do not rely on the weather so much. Removing first-class cricket from July-August in England, shunting it to April-May and September, basically guarantees English bowlers will focus on dibbly dobblers on greentops. Why develop legspinners or exert yourself bowling express pace when all a 70mph county plodder needs to do is sit the ball up there and watch it nip around? What did the ECB put in place in those months? You guessed it: Twenty bloody 20!!

I also suspect Lehmann was selected to coach the test team first and foremost. In fact he was as he took over ahead of the 2013 Ashes in the wake of homework gate. Bayliss is a twenty20 coach; he is so uninterested in first-class cricket that he never even bothers his arse to watch the counties.

Also, Australia is not stupid enough to run two Twenty20 competitions side-by-side, a franchise and a state/county one. That is what England are doing commencing 2020!!

 

[FBU]

Loved watching Richardson bowl. Hope he keeps his place when everyone is fit. Starc, Coulter-Nile, Richardson, Hazelwood
Carey looked quite good.

 

[Spark]

Richardson was honestly quite a bit better than I thought he'd be

 

[Fuller Pilch]

England had a fairly good one-day team until 1992 (three times runners-up). In the 1992 World Cup they were consistently the best team. You are however correct for the period after that; 1996 - 2015 England were rancid at one-dayers.

New Zealand were consistently best team in the 1992 CWC

 

[Top_Cat]

Meeeeeh, that's debatable. England lost to NZ but had they got the points in Adelaide against Pakistan, and having bowled them out for 70-odd it seems pretty likely, England and NZ would have been dead equal on points going into the semis having both convincingly beaten everyone else.