*Official* Australia v England post-Ashes ODI series

[Spikey]

It's worth noting how similar this team structure is to the structure we rolled out in the 2015 WC

- the spinner is seen as a 50/50 pick each game (was doherty, now zampa)
- meanwhile a batting all-rounder who bowls spin is pencilled into the team (was maxwell, now head)
- another batting all-rounder is picked to fill the overs the spinning all-rounder doesn't bowl (was watson, now marsh/stonis)
- another all-rounder is picked (was james faulkner, now marsh/stonis. I'd argue faulkner was a battling all-rounder like marsh/stonis as his 'finishing' was keeping him in the team)

hell, carey batted 8 like Rad Haddin did in the WC. the only difference is that white didn't bat 4 like clarke did

i guess the point of this is that they clearly believe in this structure. i didn't like the structure in 2015 but TPC and Starceh kinda made it a moot point but the ultimate success means they want to use it in australia

(WC final team: Scorecard - 2014-2015 ICC World Cup - 29/03/2015)

 

[Stapel]

Always surprises me how good Head's figures are considering he looks like crap in four of five innings.

Not sure what you're getting at.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Warner
Finch
Smith
White
Maxwell
Stoinis
Marsh
Carey
Cummins
Starc
Hazlewood

alternates: Lyon, Lynn

 

[91Jmay]

It's worth noting how similar this team structure is to the structure we rolled out in the 2015 WC

- the spinner is seen as a 50/50 pick each game (was doherty, now zampa)
- meanwhile a batting all-rounder who bowls spin is pencilled into the team (was maxwell, now head)
- another batting all-rounder is picked to fill the overs the spinning all-rounder doesn't bowl (was watson, now marsh/stonis)
- another all-rounder is picked (was james faulkner, now marsh/stonis. I'd argue faulkner was a battling all-rounder as his 'finishing' was keeping him in the team)

hell, carey batted 8 like Rad Haddin did in the WC. the only difference is that white didn't bat 4 like clarke did

(WC final team: Scorecard - 2014-2015 ICC World Cup - 29/03/2015)

I mean there is a name who you are missing from the bowling stocks there who the guys you are picking currently are a significant downgrade on. Like huge downgrade.

 

[Spark]

It's worth noting how similar this team structure is to the structure we rolled out in the 2015 WC

- the spinner is seen as a 50/50 pick each game (was doherty, now zampa)
- meanwhile a batting all-rounder who bowls spin is pencilled into the team (was maxwell, now head)
- another batting all-rounder is picked to fill the overs the spinning all-rounder doesn't bowl (was watson, now marsh/stonis)
- another all-rounder is picked (was james faulkner, now marsh/stonis. I'd argue faulkner was a battling all-rounder as his 'finishing' was keeping him in the team)

hell, carey batted 8 like Rad Haddin did in the WC. the only difference is that white didn't bat 4 like clarke did

i guess the point of this is that they clearly believe in this structure. i didn't like the structure in 2015 but TPC and Starceh kinda made it a moot point

(WC final team: Scorecard - 2014-2015 ICC World Cup - 29/03/2015)

heh i remember how salty people got over that clarke innings

 

[Spark]

I mean there is a name who are missing from the bowling stocks there who the guys you are picking currently are a significant downgrade on. Like huge downgrade.

Yeah someone in this thread was mocking Clarke for thinking 270 was par/defendable. Maybe with that attack...

Ultimately I don't think we can read too much into the bowling as this obviously isn't our first choice attack and those that get picked are still probably going to have one eye on SA in six weeks' time. But geez, the batting...

 

[91Jmay]

Yeah someone in this thread was mocking Clarke for thinking 270 was par/defendable. Maybe with that attack...

Yep, SR Watson was OP. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Spark]

Yep, SR Watson was OP. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Haha it wasn't Watson in that side (although he was a decent LO bowler) so much as Faulkner, who kept ****ing nicking wickets somehow. No idea how he did it, and seeing how he's playing now, seems like he didn't quite know either. But no one really got anywhere near Starc/Johnson/Hazlewood in that WC. Meant that you could effectively take off 50 runs off what counted as "defendable".

 

[quincywagstaff]

I know he hasn’t played much for Oz, but whenever I’ve seen him play in international ODI/T20s Andrew Tye just looks really blah; apart from good slower balls seems to have no weapons at all.

 

[91Jmay]

Haha it wasn't Watson in that side (although he was a decent LO bowler) so much as Faulkner, who kept ****ing nicking wickets somehow. No idea how he did it, and seeing how he's playing now, seems like he didn't quite know either. But no one really got anywhere near Starc/Johnson/Hazlewood in that WC. Meant that you could effectively take off 50 runs off what counted as "defendable".

Yeah, they took turns in blowing teams away up-front as well. You can see the lack of 3rd bowler from the Champions Trophy Eng/Aus game. Had us on the ropes with early wickets, but the middle overs was junk and we just annihilated the bowling.

 

[Firebreaker]

I know he hasn’t played much for Oz, but whenever I’ve seen him play in international ODI/T20s Andrew Tye just looks really blah; apart from good slower balls seems to have no weapons at all.

I bet he will be one of the most expensive players in the IPL auction

 

[Spikey]

Haha it wasn't Watson in that side (although he was a decent LO bowler) so much as Faulkner, who kept ****ing nicking wickets somehow. No idea how he did it, and seeing how he's playing now, seems like he didn't quite know either. But no one really got anywhere near Starc/Johnson/Hazlewood in that WC. Meant that you could effectively take off 50 runs off what counted as "defendable".

The funny thing about Faulkner is that his ODI bowling performances in 2016 and 2017 are actually better than his ODI bowling performances in 2013 and 2014 which led to him being seen as a very important player going into the 2015 WC summer. And now minus the batting heroics which we overvalued he's been dropped.

(I say this as someone who wanted Faulkner dropped prior from the 2015 WC to include a proper bowler in there as we should't've needed batting from a number 8, but going into the 2015 summer his place was secured and then the ****er had a gun summer with the ball. Anyway I'm not really sure he should be behind Stonis if we are picking 3 all-rounders)

 

[mackembhoy]

I know Kohli played his first 93 innings between 08-13 and Root 13-18 so a completely different game but.

Root 93 innings 13 not out 4137 @51.71 10 tons 25 halfs SR 86.85 3 ducks
Kohli 93 innings 13 not out 4085 @50.35 13 tons 22 halfs SR86.03 6 ducks

Root isn't really mentioned as a best ODI bat. Averaged over 70 in 2017 didn't make team of the year.

His average is now 80 on the nose since NYD 2017, only bairstow with better.

 

[Firebreaker]

Even Clive Rose from Hobart will be a better fit for Australia than White

 

[Burgey]

Glenn Maxwell? Impossible to see how he couldn't do Head's job better than this.

Not that it'll make any difference, mind...

I think it would make a massive difference with the bat

 

[Furball]

Lol that's a paddling.

How bad are Australia going to be when Starc gets rested?

 

[ImpatientLime]

I know Kohli played his first 93 innings between 08-13 and Root 13-18 so a completely different game but.

Root 93 innings 13 not out 4137 @51.71 10 tons 25 halfs SR 86.85 3 ducks
Kohli 93 innings 13 not out 4085 @50.35 13 tons 22 halfs SR86.03 6 ducks

Root isn't really mentioned as a best ODI bat. Averaged over 70 in 2017 didn't make team of the year.

His average is now 80 on the nose since NYD 2017, only bairstow with better.

he's as underrated in limited overs as he is overrated in tests.

bloke is an absolute gun in this format.

 

[Burgey]

It’s one of those once in every seventy years occasions where Australia should learn something about cricket from England.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah, they took turns in blowing teams away up-front as well. You can see the lack of 3rd bowler from the Champions Trophy Eng/Aus game. Had us on the ropes with early wickets, but the middle overs was junk and we just annihilated the bowling.

It really was. The selectors really need to realise that just because you have 3 or 4 players who "can bowl" doesn't mean that you can just pick 1 or 2 good bowlers and expect the rest of the bowling to take care of itself. If Mitch Marsh and Stoinis are being picked it should be because they are good enough to be picked on their batting alone (which they probably are), but for some reason they are being looked at as genuine all rounders who can do a great job with the ball (which they aren't) instead of the part-time 3-4 overs a game bowlers that they are.

It's almost as though it's being looked at with the logic that because they are good batsman, and they are seen as "all-rounders", their bowling must be good too.

 

[Burgey]

MMarsh was the last bowler used tonight