*Official* Australia v England post-Ashes ODI series

[TheJediBrah]

MMarsh was the last bowler used tonight

Correct

 

[social]

I've nothing against Travis Head but the opportunities
he's being given are just ridiculous

Forget Maxwell, White is a better bat and his bowling is absolute trash

How the hell is he our number 4 and first change bowler?

And then our test all-rounder hardly bowls

Wtf????

 

[Daemon]

I know Kohli played his first 93 innings between 08-13 and Root 13-18 so a completely different game but.

Root 93 innings 13 not out 4137 @51.71 10 tons 25 halfs SR 86.85 3 ducks
Kohli 93 innings 13 not out 4085 @50.35 13 tons 22 halfs SR86.03 6 ducks

Root isn't really mentioned as a best ODI bat. Averaged over 70 in 2017 didn't make team of the year.

His average is now 80 on the nose since NYD 2017, only bairstow with better.

Root kinda plays the same innings in ODIs over and over again. Really useful to have when the guys around him are keeping the scoring rate up and it's not like he can't score at a good clip himself. Great bat and worth even more in an explosive lineup like England's.

 

[Top_Cat]

tbh, if they really are grooming him for the WC in England, I can see why the selectors are persevering with Head at 4 for the time-being. Bloke's got the right sort of game for English conditions, rarely dismissed early so can eat up some pressure if a couple of early wickets fall. Has the shots to go big on his day and his bowling will be harder to get away too.

Otherwise, I dunno what they're doing. White real stiff today to bat 7 considering his form.

 

[91Jmay]

Not sure really White should have been picked regardless of form. 35 at next world cup. Still a proper one trick hitter as well, Woakes tied him down in a way we've seen before.

 

[Top_Cat]

Regardless of the reasons or future stuff, if he was to be picked, didn't get much of a chance batting that low. Opened for Vic in the JLT cup, batting 3 in T20, 5 in Shield and has some handy scores this year in all forms of the game.

 

[91Jmay]

Regardless of the reasons or future stuff, if he was to be picked, didn't get much of a chance batting that low. Opened for Vic in the JLT cup, batting 3 in T20, 5 in Shield and has some handy scores this year in all forms of the game.

Yeah that's a fair point.

 

[Crazy Sam]

White had enough of a chance to do better than score just 15 off 21 and run out Carey in the last 10 overs! Even Tye scored more boundaries than him.

 

[Furball]

he's as underrated in limited overs as he is overrated in tests.

bloke is an absolute gun in this format.

It's because Root very rarely produces the fireworks and is often overshadowed by others.

Eg Melbourne - Roy rightly gets plaudits for his innings but Root quietly and calmly guided England home.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Root kinda plays the same innings in ODIs over and over again. Really useful to have when the guys around him are keeping the scoring rate up and it's not like he can't score at a good clip himself. Great bat and worth even more in an explosive lineup like England's.

Basically playing the Trott role but doing it quicker and has far more firepower around him to make it work.

 

[burr]

Really good from England. They have developed into a great ODI team to watch. Who would have guessed it given their history!

Aus been behind the game for a while now on ODIs so none of this is surprising to anyone in the know. Everything about their game (eg decisions to bat first) seems dated.

A most interesting change in fortunes all round. Good for the game me thinks.

 

[oblongballs]

Since the end of the last world cup, England have played 13 ODI series (this is the 14th), having won 9, with the Irish match being abandoned due to rain. The real turning point was beating Bangladesh in their backyard, a very difficult team to do that to in ODIs, then they were competitive against india throughout and a couple of decisions going the other way would have turned things around. From then on, they have not looked back, losing only 2 matches in the last 20. One to SA, supposedly world number ones at the time and then to a rampant Pakistan.

The key to it all has been their batting. It is quite possibly the most brutal batting unit in world cricket, and in my opinion, possibly the best batting unit this decade. In a similar span of time, I can't think of another unit that has been able to score 300 or more as regularly, or get to 270-80 with such ease. The strike rates of some of England's players are phenomenal.

Australia on the other hand look confused, a bit like Pakistan in the current NZ series. However, Pakistan have a number of very good bowlers but Australia only have 2, neither of them a spinner. On top of that, their captain is struggling badly and has not scored a century since Jan of last year. In the 12 matches since, he only has 3 50s and 8 scores of less than 30. Is he deserving of his place in a middle order crying out for an assertive, high scoring, hard hitting batsman? Australia need to answer these questions quickly or risk being white washed.

 

[ImpatientLime]

they need to win something before we can start declaring them the best batting unit this decade. the potential is there no doubt but they have to deliver.

they have after all ballsed up two international tournaments since the white ball revolution they went through.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Cannot help but feel all of this one-day success has come at the expense of the test team.

 

[Furball]

Cannot help but feel all of this one-day success has come at the expense of the test team.

Except it hasn't really. Only 4 of the side played any part in the Ashes.

 

[vcs]

they need to win something before we can start declaring them the best batting unit this decade. the potential is there no doubt but they have to deliver.

they have after ballsed up two international tournaments since the white ball revolution they went through.

Reaching a final and a semifinal is hardly what I'd call ballsing up, though they didn't play well against Pakistan in that match. You need a bit of luck to make sure you peak at exactly the right time during ICC tournaments.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Except it hasn't really. Only 4 of the side played any part in the Ashes.

That is not really my point. In fact that sort of confirms what I said. In the one-day side we have too many talented batsmen, attacking guys like Bairstow struggling to get in! We have an embarrassment of riches in the Roys, Hales, Morgans, Roots. In the test team we are scraping the droppings of the county championship to find three batsmen to fill up vacancies.

 

[Burner]

Feel like batting second is a definite advantage in Australia now, especially for a team like New England that doesn't get pressured at the sight of a 300 chase. Batting first there's always a chance that you over-attack or think you have enough when it isn't and you could have had more. Batting second, you can just put everything to plan.

 

[Adders]

Really good from England. They have developed into a great ODI team to watch. Who would have guessed it given their history!

Aus been behind the game for a while now on ODIs so none of this is surprising to anyone in the know. Everything about their game (eg decisions to bat first) seems dated.

A most interesting change in fortunes all round. Good for the game me thinks.

Was thinking about this during last night's chase actually. 95% of Ch 9 viewers would not have seen England since the 2015 WC, and those same viewers would just take it for granted that Aus always kicks Englands arse in One Day cricket.

I reckon a lot of people would be thinking WTF is going on here watching these first couple of games.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Feel like batting second is a definite advantage in Australia now, especially for a team like New England that doesn't get pressured at the sight of a 300 chase. Batting first there's always a chance that you over-attack or think you have enough when it isn't and you could have had more. Batting second, you can just put everything to plan.

Think that is the case in most places now, not just Australia.