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Precambrian
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Only hope the euphoria of a win of this magnitude does not catch up with the Indians. Delhi, easily the forte of Indian cricket, could turn out to be Perth 2008, where not the result, but the margin of victory for Australia was discussed before the match.
howardj
International Coach
Roebuck:
It is time Matthew Hayden and Andrew Symonds started pulling their weight. After all, Ponting remained loyal to Hayden during his unproductive Ashes series in 2005. He has likewise been steadfast in his support for Symonds, persuading the selectors to take him to the 2003 World Cup and keeping faith with him as a Test cricketer longer than anyone else. Again he was proved right. Ponting might have lost the intuition evident in his emerging years but he knows cricket and cricketers.
All the more reason for the Queenslanders to respond in kind. Instead, Symonds has become headstrong while Hayden lost his composure in Mohali. Both were in the thick of the agitation that poisoned the atmosphere at the SCG.
Far from calming their captain with sage observations, they pushed the issue along despite fact that Australia were partly to blame and it was one man's word against another's. It is time to put those frustrations aside, time to answer their captain's call. Now is the time for the team's elders to get back in the ring, or withdraw.
I totally agree with Roebuck here. Ponting, in times such as these, needs the support of senior players like Symonds, Lee and Hayden. What he doesn't need is Symonds thinking that team rules don't apply to him; Hayden being too defiant and aggressive; and Lee putting on a public display of petulance. These guys are senior players in their 30's - they need to be helping Ponting show the rest of the team the way forward.
It is time Matthew Hayden and Andrew Symonds started pulling their weight. After all, Ponting remained loyal to Hayden during his unproductive Ashes series in 2005. He has likewise been steadfast in his support for Symonds, persuading the selectors to take him to the 2003 World Cup and keeping faith with him as a Test cricketer longer than anyone else. Again he was proved right. Ponting might have lost the intuition evident in his emerging years but he knows cricket and cricketers.
All the more reason for the Queenslanders to respond in kind. Instead, Symonds has become headstrong while Hayden lost his composure in Mohali. Both were in the thick of the agitation that poisoned the atmosphere at the SCG.
Far from calming their captain with sage observations, they pushed the issue along despite fact that Australia were partly to blame and it was one man's word against another's. It is time to put those frustrations aside, time to answer their captain's call. Now is the time for the team's elders to get back in the ring, or withdraw.
I totally agree with Roebuck here. Ponting, in times such as these, needs the support of senior players like Symonds, Lee and Hayden. What he doesn't need is Symonds thinking that team rules don't apply to him; Hayden being too defiant and aggressive; and Lee putting on a public display of petulance. These guys are senior players in their 30's - they need to be helping Ponting show the rest of the team the way forward.
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Interesting thoughts from Roebuck there, but what a contrast to his piece in January when he called for Ponting's sacking over Sydney!!!
Looking back on this match, I think Australia are over-playing the reverse swing aspect. Mishra took 5 in the 1st dig, and I wouldn't say the top order fell to a heap of reverse swinging balls in the second. I'd rather say simply India did reverse the ball, but the difference in the teams had more to do with their control combined with (2nd innings esp) some poor shots.
Looking back on this match, I think Australia are over-playing the reverse swing aspect. Mishra took 5 in the 1st dig, and I wouldn't say the top order fell to a heap of reverse swinging balls in the second. I'd rather say simply India did reverse the ball, but the difference in the teams had more to do with their control combined with (2nd innings esp) some poor shots.
howardj
International Coach
The boys need a few days off now, after back-to-back Tests. Hopefully they keep each others' spirits up and come back full of energy for the next two matches. Let's see some life and vigour - which also means getting through our overs on time, instead of being so incredibly lethargic in pumping out just 12 overs per hour.
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Bit hard for Symonds to pull hie weight NOW when he's not even in the team.
Still, the central point is correct, with things not going well, some pulling-in of heads would seem to be the order of the day. The Aussies play much, much, much better when they just back off a bit and play professional cricket.
masterblaster
International Captain
That article Sanz pointed out was absolutely pathetic.
Hmm, didn't Dhoni immediately ask Rudi to go to the third umpire because he wasn't sure? This is the type of journalism I absolutely despise. Creating mountain's out of molehills and trying to recreate unneccessary conflict between two sides that have been well behaved this time.
Pathetic article if you ask me.
Hmm, didn't Dhoni immediately ask Rudi to go to the third umpire because he wasn't sure? This is the type of journalism I absolutely despise. Creating mountain's out of molehills and trying to recreate unneccessary conflict between two sides that have been well behaved this time.
Pathetic article if you ask me.
dontcloseyoureyes
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Not sure why you're all shocked that the article Sanz posted is a joke. It's from the ****ing Herald Sun! You don't take anything they write seriously.
NZTailender
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Not sure people outside of Australia realise that, though. People overseas would see what seems like a major and popular news media source, see the article and think the Aussie media in general is ****.
Ftr, it is.
Ftr, it is.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
Finally we have it. Dhoni to score at a higher strike rate than Sachin. Thanks
First of all I am sorry for pursuing you like this.
Do you know if actually it is true? Do you know that barring sahwag, Sachin is continues to score at a faster strike rate than any other Indian batsman. That even in this Test match he scored his first innings 88 in the first innings at a fraction under 80 with ll the excitement/anxiety of the world record and then the 12000 runs and no pressure or instructions to step on it.
Dhoni in his second innings 68 scored his runs at a fraction above 80 with all the intentions of scoring quicky in order to set a target.
I am sorry for stressing the point and pursuing you on this matter. Trust me my friend it was not to prove you wrong on anything. I was just amazed at how many people wrote (not just on CW but all over the print and electronic media) about Dhoni's leading from the front by coming out to bat himself at the top of the order. I am not sure it was such a fantastic move or that it was even required.
Had Dhoni set about getting his runs in a one day frenzy mode at over a run a ball and tried to save himself some time which could be used to get more to get Australia I would have agreed but he batted at best as Sachin did and Sehwag and Gambhir were doing and in any case he did not seem to have too much concern about the time he wanted to get Australia out.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
No we dont and I am sure pretty much every Aussie on this forum doesn't. But unfortunately people in Australia do read this newspaper and it presents a very negative and incorrect picture of the whole event. If there is one person in the Indian team right now who wants to win fair and doesn't want to engage in any kind of Bull****, It would be Dhoni.
pasag
RTDAS
But it would be like me posting a link to an article from the NY Daily Post and saying look at the US media etc. It's an idiot newspaper with mostly idiot readers (albiet 500,000 of them).
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
Exactly. That is my point. What you think is what everyone else thinks. It is not true. Not in recent times, not in this series and not even in this last Test. Go back and check for yourself.
Just make sure you include only those innings where both of them played.
I know my pushing the point sounds irritating and probably is for which I apologised to Pnottah already. But trust me I wasn;t doing it to have the last word or just to prove him wrong but just to highlight how so many of them (including myself) can at times form opinions based on perception which are incorrect and not supported by facts. The frenzied style of batting of a player can make him look a faster scorer than the calm stroke play of another.
I think I did a similar analysis once before for Laxman I think when he was dropped from the ODI side and everyone was shocked by the actual stats.
Precambrian
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Fully AWTA. I think Dhoni could be a bit hot under his skin, which will be tempered with a few series as captain. Sachin was scoring at a faster rate and in much less risky fashion as compared to Dhoni, and without any extravagant strokes. (Jeez, what was that "scoop" shot Dhoni was trying to play off White?), Dhoni will be only wiser if he realized that this win owed as much to Tendulkar and Ganguly as his performance and captaincy. I don't think Dhoni would have dreamt of that had India been 20-2, Instead of 200-2.Finally we have it. Dhoni to score at a higher strike rate than Sachin. Thanks
First of all I am sorry for pursuing you like this.
Do you know if actually it is true? Do you know that barring sahwag, Sachin is continues to score at a faster strike rate than any other Indian batsman. That even in this Test match he scored his first innings 88 in the first innings at a fraction under 80 with ll the excitement/anxiety of the world record and then the 12000 runs and no pressure or instructions to step on it.
Dhoni in his second innings 68 scored his runs at a fraction above 80 with all the intentions of scoring quicky in order to set a target.
I am sorry for stressing the point and pursuing you on this matter. Trust me my friend it was not to prove you wrong on anything. I was just amazed at how many people wrote (not just on CW but all over the print and electronic media) about Dhoni's leading from the front by coming out to bat himself at the top of the order. I am not sure it was such a fantastic move or that it was even required.
Had Dhoni set about getting his runs in a one day frenzy mode at over a run a ball and tried to save himself some time which could be used to get more to get Australia I would have agreed but he batted at best as Sachin did and Sehwag and Gambhir were doing and in any case he did not seem to have too much concern about the time he wanted to get Australia out.
To be fair to him, Dhoni's move could also be to avoid Tendulkar being too exerted. He wants him to be available for atleast till 2011 WC, I think.
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Sanz
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But its not just Herald though, Malcom Conn writes the similar stuff in 'The Australian' :-
"...Dhoni also appears to have some confusion about the spirit of the game, appealing on the final day for a catch that clearly bounced in front of him. It is the second time he has done it in two Tests....During last summer's tour of Australia he was found to be wearing wicketkeeping gloves which were illegal because the webbing offered too much assistance."
Once again Ignoring the crucial part of the event, agreed the tone wasn't as aggressive as 'Herald but motive was same.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24533513-5001505,00.html
Besides today it is Herald, Yesterday it was SMH, and tomorrow it will be someone else. They continue to write such garbage.
Oh and not to forget same articles are printed in a no. of different newspapers, so even though it is one or two writers writting the articles, but it gets published in different newspapers and hence much broader readership. For example, Malcom Conn's article was pulished in
Foxsports :- http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24533513-23212,00.html
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Yep and expect follow-up article from Ben Dorries after he leaves Conn's bed.
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Sanz
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I think you are missing the point here. I never suggest anything about any forum member. I am merely suggesting that the Aussie media continues to write rubbish. Sometimes it is Herald, sometimes it is conn and then Saltu and they are the ones that write more frequently.