tooextracool
International Coach
yes but given that the best way to play warne is to attack him and that they've used it effectively in the past that wouldnt be a bad idea.Tony Blade said:And then of course theres Warne
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**Official** Australia in India Thread
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tooextracool
International Coach
katich can score at 6 just as effectively IMO, im not so sure about gilly at 6 given his past failures.viktor said:
and i dont think batting at 3 for one series will have too much of an adverse effect on him, if he drops a catch, its quite likely that he would have dropped it even if he had batted a few positions lower.
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
check this out. this is what you can call over exaggeration.
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,10973865-27561,00.html
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,10973865-27561,00.html
Mister Wright
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tooextracool said:
Gilchrist isn't the best keeper going round, for so long his batting has overshadowed his abilities with the gloves. As he said himself, keeping after 18 overs in a tour game he realised he couldn't do two major loads aswell as captain. Imagine keeping for over 100 overs then and early wicket falls, in comes Gilchrist at 3, he will be stuffed for the second innings and his keeping will be even worse.
Katich is a capable number 3, and has batted there most of his career, just because you have only seen him bat at 6 in test does not make him a better number 6.
Let me get this straight....preparing pitches that radically favor one side is a home ground advantage. Perhaps India would also like to use extra wide bats, and bowl from 20 yards?
It just shows how scared the Indians are...they know they can't win a fair contest, so they're determined to avoid one.
All this 'test' will show is that India is better than Aus when Aus has one hand tied behind their backs. If Aus should happen to win, they it'll show Aus is a lot better than Ind.
Adding a link to the other foxsports article on the pitch.."Indians doctor wicket"
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,10974766-23212,00.html
It just shows how scared the Indians are...they know they can't win a fair contest, so they're determined to avoid one.
All this 'test' will show is that India is better than Aus when Aus has one hand tied behind their backs. If Aus should happen to win, they it'll show Aus is a lot better than Ind.
Adding a link to the other foxsports article on the pitch.."Indians doctor wicket"
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,10974766-23212,00.html
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Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
There is nothing wrong with preparing pitches that favour the home side, and IMO should be done more often, it makes the cricket more interesting.telsor said:
ReallyCrazy
Banned
So why does Aus usually prepare bouncy hard wickets to aid their bowlers when other teams come there on tour? Why don't they prepare spin friendly tracks?telsor said:
tooextracool
International Coach
how does it make a difference? if he batted at 7 and assuming he batted till the end of the innings, he would have to almost immediately take to the field...its the same thing except that this time hes keeping after batting whereas otherwise he would be batting after keeping.Mister Wright said:
no im quite sure that katich is good enough to bat no 3, but gilchrist is better off there. and from what ive seen of katich thus far he looks more comfortable at the start of his innings against spin than pace, hence he would be better at 6.Mister Wright said:
tooextracool
International Coach
err no, the reason why you play at home is because you have the advantage. otherwise you could just set aside a neutral ground and play every test match on it. you do what you can to make yourself win and if that means preparing pitches to suit yourself, then so be it.telsor said:
tooextracool
International Coach
actually aussie wickets these days arent exactly hard and bouncy and definetly dont aid any sort of fast bowlers.ReallyCrazy said:
ReallyCrazy
Banned
The test pitches in Aus play the same way whoever comes to play on them. ( exception, they do change over time as the pitch 'ages' ). In other words, it doesn't matter if Sth Africa or India come to tour, they will still have a seam friendly pitch in Brisbane, a turner in Sydney, Adelaide as a 'easy' battiing track and Melbourne an all-rounder ( Perth was fast and bouncy, but see the exception above..they need to re-lay the pitch ).ReallyCrazy said:
So I ask you..if SL was coming to play, would the same pitch have been prepared?
ReallyCrazy
Banned
Well India has always prepared spin friendly tracks. That's their traditional strength and that's what they will prepare. Just like Aus gives other teams a tough time in Perth.
The buildup to this series has been huge and that is the reason everthing about the pitch being "doctored" is exaggerated so much.
The buildup to this series has been huge and that is the reason everthing about the pitch being "doctored" is exaggerated so much.
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
And India has always prepared pitches which are slow and have low bounce, not necessarliy vicious turners. Also India has prepared pitches which have decent bounce and carry which aided fast bowlers quite a bit. And this is done for all opponents. Not just Australia. So what is your point ?telsor said:
These reports from the Aussie press are way exaggerated. Let the match begin. If Australia thought that they were going to see green tops in India, then I think they were delusional....just like India expecting to see slow turners down under. This is what makes cricket interesting. I don't understand why the Aussies are hitting the panic button even before a single ball has bowled in this series.
I think there is nothing wrong with preparing pitches to suit the home team, all teams do it, but some pretend otherwise.
Shane Warne however is a bowler capable of using these conditions well, and since his return seems a different bowler. He is also on the verge of claiming the 'World's leading Wicket taker' tag from Murali. This would no doubt be a greater incentive for him to try harder, and despite the fact that India has handled him well in the past, I suspect this time he is going to do well.
My prediction - India to win, in a tight finish . Shane Warne to take more wickets than any other bowler in the Match.
On the question of Team selection, I think India should stick to Kumble and Harbajan as I can't see Murali Karthik adding any significant incremental value to the other two.
As for Australia, I think they are likely to select McGrath, Gillespie and Kaspar with Warne. Clarke likely to take Ponting's spot. I think Lehman will play, although Hodge playing instead of Lehman may be on the cards, if it is felt Lehman is not match fit etc.
Shane Warne however is a bowler capable of using these conditions well, and since his return seems a different bowler. He is also on the verge of claiming the 'World's leading Wicket taker' tag from Murali. This would no doubt be a greater incentive for him to try harder, and despite the fact that India has handled him well in the past, I suspect this time he is going to do well.
My prediction - India to win, in a tight finish . Shane Warne to take more wickets than any other bowler in the Match.
On the question of Team selection, I think India should stick to Kumble and Harbajan as I can't see Murali Karthik adding any significant incremental value to the other two.
As for Australia, I think they are likely to select McGrath, Gillespie and Kaspar with Warne. Clarke likely to take Ponting's spot. I think Lehman will play, although Hodge playing instead of Lehman may be on the cards, if it is felt Lehman is not match fit etc.
masterblaster
International Captain
That's a fair call Jason. Kartik got absolutely slaughtered by Australia down under, and just got absolutely slaughtered by Virender Sehwag and Yuvraj Singh in the India A vs India Seniors match, so he's not in the best of form.
I'd have someone like Ajit Agarkar in the squad alongside Irfan Pathan, Kumble and Harbhajan just for that variety. Three spinners gets boring, and I doubt Kartik will have much impact as you've said already.
Agarkar on the other hand, bowled well for Mumbai against Australia and has always done well against the Aussies, so I think he's more of an asset at this stage than Murali Kartik, Zaheer Khan or Ashish Nehra.
But knowing Ganguly, or John Wright we may see three spinners and Irfan Pathan, or we may see Zaheer Khan and Irfan Pathan take up the new ball. For me, when India plays Australia, Agarkar has to the first fast bowler you would pencil in, and then it would be Irfan Pathan.
I'd have someone like Ajit Agarkar in the squad alongside Irfan Pathan, Kumble and Harbhajan just for that variety. Three spinners gets boring, and I doubt Kartik will have much impact as you've said already.
Agarkar on the other hand, bowled well for Mumbai against Australia and has always done well against the Aussies, so I think he's more of an asset at this stage than Murali Kartik, Zaheer Khan or Ashish Nehra.
But knowing Ganguly, or John Wright we may see three spinners and Irfan Pathan, or we may see Zaheer Khan and Irfan Pathan take up the new ball. For me, when India plays Australia, Agarkar has to the first fast bowler you would pencil in, and then it would be Irfan Pathan.