*Official* Australia in India 2023

[Spark]

I wouldn't expect much from Green with the bat. He's definitely someone who doesn't do well with little match prep.

 

[Daniel CC]

I wouldn't expect much from Green with the bat. He's definitely someone who doesn't do well with little match prep.

Agreed

 

[Nintendo]

I wouldn't expect much from Green with the bat. He's definitely someone who doesn't do well with little match prep.

Yeah this is my huge worry. He did well in SL with no red ball prep before but outside of that he usually takes a few tests to get everything in working order.

 

[R!TTER]

I think the advice is the least of it. It's all the preparation put in before that made it work. Didn't Hayden do his own personal boot camp prior to that series IN Indian conditions?

And beyond that one 2001 tour he failed big time on flat wickets! If you'd listen to some of these experts from Oz you'd be almost under the impression that many of the former greats did brilliantly in India, except that's BS -

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
DR Martyn	2004-2004	4	8	0	444	114	55.50	882	50.34	2	2	1	48	2
TD Paine	2010-2010	2	4	0	183	92	45.75	404	45.29	0	2	0	24	0
MEK Hussey	2008-2010	6	11	0	493	146	44.81	1120	44.01	1	3	0	50	1
SM Katich	2004-2010	10	20	2	735	102	40.83	1579	46.54	1	4	0	85	0
SR Watson	2008-2010	6	11	0	441	126	40.09	925	47.67	1	3	0	54	2
RT Ponting	2004-2010	7	13	0	513	123	39.46	949	54.05	1	4	0	68	1
MJ Clarke	2004-2010	10	19	1	686	151	38.11	1390	49.35	2	3	0	77	8
MJ North	2010-2010	2	4	0	141	128	35.25	293	48.12	1	0	1	18	1
ML Hayden	2004-2008	8	16	1	478	83	31.86	807	59.23	0	3	2	57	7
AC Gilchrist	2004-2004	4	8	1	218	104	31.14	279	78.13	1	0	0	21	4
JL Langer	2004-2004	4	8	0	228	71	28.50	516	44.18	0	2	2	27	0
DS Lehmann	2004-2004	3	5	0	132	70	26.40	181	72.92	0	1	1	18	0

And in that time there was exactly 1 dodgy wicket in Mumbai 2004, the vast majority of the wickets were either flat or super-flat decks! Oz batted first on 7 of the ten occasions in this time, also none of the batters succeeded on multiple tours.

I say the only advise the current lot should listen to is that play the ball on its merit, not reminisce about some imaginary super-sweep that Hayden perfected for India!

 

[honestbharani]

27-28 averaging spinner is a massive downgrade over what Ashwin is producing over the last decade. Obviously the cricketer you describe is a cricketer most teams would kill to have, but the difference between a bloke taking wickets at 20 and one taking wickets at 27 is unquestionably enough to flip the result of Test matches.

I dont think its a like for like. But as a group, that trio can manage to give us enough edge in home games for us to keep winning. That is all. I fully expect Kuldeep to be the main spinner there and playing the Ashwin role.

 

[Spark]

Honestly they'd be better off looking at how Damien Martyn played. Playing back has its dangers on such low pitches but it at least takes a few danger modes of dismissal out of the equation.

 

[honestbharani]

To play domestic cricket and apparently he will be back for ODIs.

They are saying Warner will, too. Maybe even Cummins if he decides to stay back to handle the personal emergency.

 

[honestbharani]

Agar getting released now is almost getting to the previous BG proportions in terms of injuries/releases.

Players missing tests for India in BG 2021: Agarwal, Rahul, Rohit, Kohli, Vihari, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Umesh, Bumrah
Players missing tests for Australia in BG 2023: Warner, Green, Agar, Starc, Hazlewood

BG 2021 leads by 5 at the moment.

Should add in Ishant as well.

 

[Arachnodouche]

I dont think its a like for like. But as a group, that trio can manage to give us enough edge in home games for us to keep winning. That is all. I fully expect Kuldeep to be the main spinner there and playing the Ashwin role.

Faith renewed in Kuldeep then?

 

[honestbharani]

Faith renewed in Kuldeep then?

I have more faith in him in tests than LOs, yes. And always have tbh

 

[Senile Sentry]

And beyond that one 2001 tour he failed big time on flat wickets! If you'd listen to some of these experts from Oz you'd be almost under the impression that many of the former greats did brilliantly in India, except that's BS -


And in that time there was exactly 1 dodgy wicket in Mumbai 2004, the vast majority of the wickets were either flat or super-flat decks! Oz batted first on 7 of the ten occasions in this time, also none of the batters succeeded on multiple tours.

I say the only advise the current lot should listen to is that play the ball on its merit, not reminisce about some imaginary super-sweep that Hayden perfected for India!

Wow, that's really surprising.

On the other hand, seems Ashwin evaded a Paine bullet in this series. He had a good consistent run in India.

 

[Daniel CC]

4-0 to India

 

[Sunil1z]

4-0 to India

3-0 or 3-1

 

[Starfighter]

And beyond that one 2001 tour he failed big time on flat wickets! If you'd listen to some of these experts from Oz you'd be almost under the impression that many of the former greats did brilliantly in India, except that's BS -

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
DR Martyn	2004-2004	4	8	0	444	114	55.50	882	50.34	2	2	1	48	2
TD Paine	2010-2010	2	4	0	183	92	45.75	404	45.29	0	2	0	24	0
MEK Hussey	2008-2010	6	11	0	493	146	44.81	1120	44.01	1	3	0	50	1
SM Katich	2004-2010	10	20	2	735	102	40.83	1579	46.54	1	4	0	85	0
SR Watson	2008-2010	6	11	0	441	126	40.09	925	47.67	1	3	0	54	2
RT Ponting	2004-2010	7	13	0	513	123	39.46	949	54.05	1	4	0	68	1
MJ Clarke	2004-2010	10	19	1	686	151	38.11	1390	49.35	2	3	0	77	8
MJ North	2010-2010	2	4	0	141	128	35.25	293	48.12	1	0	1	18	1
ML Hayden	2004-2008	8	16	1	478	83	31.86	807	59.23	0	3	2	57	7
AC Gilchrist	2004-2004	4	8	1	218	104	31.14	279	78.13	1	0	0	21	4
JL Langer	2004-2004	4	8	0	228	71	28.50	516	44.18	0	2	2	27	0
DS Lehmann	2004-2004	3	5	0	132	70	26.40	181	72.92	0	1	1	18	0

And in that time there was exactly 1 dodgy wicket in Mumbai 2004, the vast majority of the wickets were either flat or super-flat decks! Oz batted first on 7 of the ten occasions in this time, also none of the batters succeeded on multiple tours.

I say the only advise the current lot should listen to is that play the ball on its merit, not reminisce about some imaginary super-sweep that Hayden perfected for India!

Dishonest analysis. Of course if you remove Hayden's higher scoring series he scored less. Maybe you should try removing all the innings where he scored runs. Hey presto, he averaged zero!

 

[R!TTER]

Hardly, in the series where he scored 500 we had 1 bowler - Harbhajan. His scores on similar surfaces with our full strength squad are less than flattering, you could say the same about Clarke. One good series doesn't prove they've been good/great in India, shock/horror right ?

The broader point being had many of these guys played against Jadeja/Ashwin today on the same surfaces they'd probably avg no better than the current lot, so it's hypocritical of them to mock the current lot with those clickbait sweeps! Hayden made a career out of sweeping, without DRS, in India & even then he wasn't that good. Among modern day Oz batters Mark Taylor, Steve Waugh, Damien Martyn, Smith are the standouts - surprisingly Ponting got much better later in his career so might've been handy here.

 

[Shri]

you could say the same about Clarke.

But anyone with eyes could see Clarke was great against spin

 

[R!TTER]

Really, is that why he avg less than 35 post the 2004 series? You could argue he was good against spin, anywhere in Asia, but great is pushing it.

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MEK Hussey	2008-2010	6	11	0	493	146	44.81	1120	44.01	1	3	0	50	1
RT Ponting	2008-2010	6	11	0	490	123	44.54	915	53.55	1	4	0	65	1
SM Katich	2008-2010	6	12	1	459	102	41.72	990	46.36	1	2	0	56	0
MJ Clarke	2008-2013	9	17	0	572	130	33.64	1232	46.42	2	2	1	56	5
SR Watson	2008-2013	9	17	0	540	126	31.76	1164	46.39	1	3	0	66	4

And don't give me that anyone with eyes, I've seen most of his innings live. He was similar to Labu in his approach, albeit on better surfaces.

 

[SteveNZ]

The Agar situation is so amusing from afar. They select a guy who by his own admission has played about '3 red ball games in 3 years' which is just crazy, don't play him, fly over a fellow LA offie then play that guy ahead of Agar, then send Agar home ahead of the third Test. Incredible stuff.

 

[slippy888]

Has Chris Green actually been selected WTF

 

[GoodAreasShane]

It is a strange situation, would be interested to know to what degree Agar has been struggling in the nets. If that means bowling like he did in Sydney it is a little odd, however if it is worse than that, like bordering on the yips level stuff, then him flying home makes more sense although if that is the case it is odd he would be flying back out for the JAMODIs