Shane Warne
Banned
Depends what the percentages of decisions looked like at the time.matty1818 said:
If Australia had had as much luck as England have had up until that point, then I would accept it yes.
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***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)
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If Australia had had as much luck as England have had up until that point, then I would accept it yes.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
The one-eyed man is only king in the land of the blind.Shane Warne said:
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Umpires have made crucial mistakes since the dawn of time and players except them as honest mistakes, this continual insinuation of bias is too pathetic for words.
Shane Warne
Banned
Pietersen LBW Lee at Lords, given not out.matty1818 said:
Flintoff taking a wicket off a no ball at Lords, yet when Lee did it it was spotted, by the same umpire.
Michael Clarke out LBW at Lords when it is just clipping the edge of the stump, yet S.Jones given not out on a middle stump half way up one.
Also Langer out LBW when it's just hitting the outside edge of a stump.
Warne plumb LBW Trescothick at Lords on a pad then bat, but given not out as a inside edge.
Giles let off 2 plumb LBW's by Warne at Edgebaston.
Kaspa glove off the bat but given out.
Flintoff LBW to Gillispie when it was going past the stumps.
Straus and Trescothick offering no shot to Warne and puadding up with the ball hitting stumps on three occasions.
Pietersen gloving his first ball off Lee yesterday.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Two very interesting Ashes comments by Greg Matthews & Ian Chappel
1. Hayden aura has faded - Matthews
Cricinfo staff
August 7, 2005
Greg Matthews believes Matthew Hayden has lost his dominant aura, but don't expect him to be dropped. Matthews told The Sunday Mail Hayden, who made a second-innings 31, had lost his "strut" during 25 innings without a hundred.
"My big worry about Matthew is ... he's a superstar, great bloke, great player, Christian, all that 'you-beaut' stuff, but his body language is just not what it was," Matthews, the former allrounder, told the paper. "It's not as powerful, it's not as prominent. He's not out there. That is my real worry, the strut isn't there, the look in his eyes. I don't feel his aura at the moment."
Hayden tried to be more patient as Australia chased 282 for victory at Edgbaston last night, but he was undone by Simon Jones and a brilliant catch from Marcus Trescothick. Matthews said Hayden's record since the Sri Lanka series in July last year was a worry, but he would be "shocked" if he was dropped.
"It's a hell of a trot, he'd be conscious of it and certainly not happy about it," Matthews said. "It's my sincere hope that Matt gets some runs soon. Sometimes it's just one shot and, bang, he could be away again."
Mark Taylor, who went 21 innings without a half-century in a streak ending at Edgbaston in 1997, said Hayden wasn't badly out of form. "It's not like he's out there scratching around and looking terrible," he said. "He just needs to be a bit more patient to build on the starts he's getting. The selectors should not even be contemplating dropping Matthew ... all he needs is one big knock."
2. Aussies not greatest - Chappell
England set sights on famous win
Former Australian captain Ian Chappell has criticised Ricky Ponting's team for over-confidence as they fell to defeat against England in the second Test.
Chappell singled out opener Matthew Hayden for particular criticism.
Chappell told BBC Radio Five Live's Sportsweek programme: "The rest of the world has got carried away with just how good this Australia side is.
"They've got a bit over-confident. I would put Matthew Hayden in that category and he has paid the penalty."
In Australia's first innings Hayden collected his first golden duck in Tests.
Chappell said: "I have seen it said they are the best ever but I have never believed that. The batting has let them down.
"We have seen a side that is very good against some average attacks, but this is the first time for a while they come up against a really good attack.
"They have usually had their own way and got over-confident.
"Matthew Hayden has got into that way of thinking. He is so used to smashing the ball around that he hasn't made the adjustment and said to himself: `This is not the kind of attack I have been facing, this one I should respect more.'"
Chappell believes Ponting's side has been too overly reliant on bowlers Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne and will face a real challenge when those two retire.
"They are a very good team with two great bowlers. You will always be in with a chance of winning games in such a situation.
"Crunch time will be when Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne move on. That is when this Australian side will really feel the pinch.
"Without McGrath in this second Test, Australia were not able to have any control and England just went berserk.
"The public now is getting the idea that this is a very good side with two great bowlers."
I agree with Matthews a great deal, although i do agree that when Warne & Pigeon retire Australia will become even with the rest of the world, but to say this great Australiab side is just a very good side with two great bowles is an unfair comment. Chappel is exaggerating too much for me.
1. Hayden aura has faded - Matthews
Cricinfo staff
August 7, 2005
Greg Matthews believes Matthew Hayden has lost his dominant aura, but don't expect him to be dropped. Matthews told The Sunday Mail Hayden, who made a second-innings 31, had lost his "strut" during 25 innings without a hundred.
"My big worry about Matthew is ... he's a superstar, great bloke, great player, Christian, all that 'you-beaut' stuff, but his body language is just not what it was," Matthews, the former allrounder, told the paper. "It's not as powerful, it's not as prominent. He's not out there. That is my real worry, the strut isn't there, the look in his eyes. I don't feel his aura at the moment."
Hayden tried to be more patient as Australia chased 282 for victory at Edgbaston last night, but he was undone by Simon Jones and a brilliant catch from Marcus Trescothick. Matthews said Hayden's record since the Sri Lanka series in July last year was a worry, but he would be "shocked" if he was dropped.
"It's a hell of a trot, he'd be conscious of it and certainly not happy about it," Matthews said. "It's my sincere hope that Matt gets some runs soon. Sometimes it's just one shot and, bang, he could be away again."
Mark Taylor, who went 21 innings without a half-century in a streak ending at Edgbaston in 1997, said Hayden wasn't badly out of form. "It's not like he's out there scratching around and looking terrible," he said. "He just needs to be a bit more patient to build on the starts he's getting. The selectors should not even be contemplating dropping Matthew ... all he needs is one big knock."
2. Aussies not greatest - Chappell
England set sights on famous win
Former Australian captain Ian Chappell has criticised Ricky Ponting's team for over-confidence as they fell to defeat against England in the second Test.
Chappell singled out opener Matthew Hayden for particular criticism.
Chappell told BBC Radio Five Live's Sportsweek programme: "The rest of the world has got carried away with just how good this Australia side is.
"They've got a bit over-confident. I would put Matthew Hayden in that category and he has paid the penalty."
In Australia's first innings Hayden collected his first golden duck in Tests.
Chappell said: "I have seen it said they are the best ever but I have never believed that. The batting has let them down.
"We have seen a side that is very good against some average attacks, but this is the first time for a while they come up against a really good attack.
"They have usually had their own way and got over-confident.
"Matthew Hayden has got into that way of thinking. He is so used to smashing the ball around that he hasn't made the adjustment and said to himself: `This is not the kind of attack I have been facing, this one I should respect more.'"
Chappell believes Ponting's side has been too overly reliant on bowlers Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne and will face a real challenge when those two retire.
"They are a very good team with two great bowlers. You will always be in with a chance of winning games in such a situation.
"Crunch time will be when Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne move on. That is when this Australian side will really feel the pinch.
"Without McGrath in this second Test, Australia were not able to have any control and England just went berserk.
"The public now is getting the idea that this is a very good side with two great bowlers."
I agree with Matthews a great deal, although i do agree that when Warne & Pigeon retire Australia will become even with the rest of the world, but to say this great Australiab side is just a very good side with two great bowles is an unfair comment. Chappel is exaggerating too much for me.
Pedro Delgado
International Debutant
Chappell's correct about McGrath and Warne, but most people have been saying it for ages, when they retire there will be a void that cannot be filled. Same with Gilly. Life goes on though.
Shane Warne
Banned
And what makes it worse for Australia is the fact that they won't be able to fall back on Gillespie as the senior leader of the attack.
A couple of years ago they probably would have anticipated being able to do so what with him being younger.
He was once one of the best pacemen in the world but he is clearly pretty much finished now to, due to injuries taking their toll. I wouldn't be surprised if this was his last series as he has looked pretty much like Gough did in his last test.
A couple of years ago they probably would have anticipated being able to do so what with him being younger.
He was once one of the best pacemen in the world but he is clearly pretty much finished now to, due to injuries taking their toll. I wouldn't be surprised if this was his last series as he has looked pretty much like Gough did in his last test.
Shane Warne
Banned
Yeah stick a fork in him, he's done.Hanuma said:
chalky
International Debutant
How good are the young Australian fast bowlers? I know Lillee has been saying the cupboard is pretty bare for a long time. Heard a lot about tait but havn't seen him, then theres Bracken and Brad Williams who was being hailed as the "new McGrath" on Englands last tour.Shane Warne said:
Pedro Delgado
International Debutant
He's certainly lost something, and it's not exactly pace as he's been up at 85-87 quite often. He just isn't nipping it off the seam as much as he used to from what I can tell, he doesn't look dangerous anymore, and England's batsmen seem to view his getting the ball as run scoring time.Shane Warne said:
Maybe all the injuries have finally taken their toll on the chap. Maybe.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
His comb, for a start.Pedro Delgado said:
tooextracool
International Coach
this is easily the best test match i've ever seen but today i doubt i've ever been more frustrated by some of the absolute rubbish short pitch stuff that harmison and freddie bowled. and i've never been more frustrated with michael vaughan, for actually making as stupid a mistake of not bowling simon jones today for some unknown reason, especially when we all saw what simon jones could do with the old ball last inning. not to mention the fact that it was s.jones who dismissed lee last time around. in the end all that matters is that we won by 2 runs, and one can only imagine how much of a difference those 2 runs made, not just in this test or series, but also for the future of english cricket considering how much criticism they would have to face from the public had they lost.
now that we move to old trafford, i really cant see australia playing without macgill, and to be honest i cant see england winning, given that giles hasnt exactly sent shivers down the aussie batters. i'd be extremely interested to see if swann or batty(i hope not) get picked for the next test, hoggard has been rubbish anyways so he'll probably go, but surely if england dont win the next test assuming mcgrath is back for the 4th, our chances will go up in smoke.
now that we move to old trafford, i really cant see australia playing without macgill, and to be honest i cant see england winning, given that giles hasnt exactly sent shivers down the aussie batters. i'd be extremely interested to see if swann or batty(i hope not) get picked for the next test, hoggard has been rubbish anyways so he'll probably go, but surely if england dont win the next test assuming mcgrath is back for the 4th, our chances will go up in smoke.
tooextracool
International Coach
you know its reasons like these why ive said all along that technology must be introduced. if england miraculously manage to win the series, we'd have to go through a fair few years of, 'if only bowden had given so and so out the game would be different'.Lillian Thomson said:
fact is that if we had technology there'd be no whining, no crying over spilt milk, and we'd know by now for certain who deserved to win that test match.
Pedro Delgado
International Debutant
luckyeddie said:
If he is dropped, at least he can go back to selling pegs.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Can't disagree with much you've said again, TEC.
I was really surprised that Jones didn't get a bowl - I guess that Vaughan has his own ideas as to who his premier strike bowlers are.
I don't see much point in us going in with 2 spinners, even though Giles performed creditably overall (but no more than that) in the second test. As far as the likes of Swann and Batty, no thanks.
I just hope and pray that they've got the concrete mixer ready for Old Trafford, and that the strip for the test bears no resemblance to the rest of the square that's been Lakeresque for much of the season. If we can engineer a bouncy, Oval-like strip, we can win. If not, well, at least we won a 'live' test this time around.
I was really surprised that Jones didn't get a bowl - I guess that Vaughan has his own ideas as to who his premier strike bowlers are.
I don't see much point in us going in with 2 spinners, even though Giles performed creditably overall (but no more than that) in the second test. As far as the likes of Swann and Batty, no thanks.
I just hope and pray that they've got the concrete mixer ready for Old Trafford, and that the strip for the test bears no resemblance to the rest of the square that's been Lakeresque for much of the season. If we can engineer a bouncy, Oval-like strip, we can win. If not, well, at least we won a 'live' test this time around.