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***Official*** Australia in England 2012

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, Watto's comments did seem a bit bizzarre considering the OZ line-up. I know Swann and Broad aren't brilliant at ODIs, but it looks so much stronger than Australia.

Without Anderson there will be Dernbach=runs, I'm afraid:(

Would rather Bopara bowl.
Chance they could just throw Patel in there. Would probably bowl better and obviously gives you the battingz.
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
Dave Hussey dismissal brought to mind the animation in Stick Cricket where you get hit in the head and fall on the stumps.
 

Stumpcam

U19 Captain
Stuart Meaker has been called into the England squad to replace Anderson for the ODI at the Oval, as Jimmy has a slight groin strain.

I hope he plays, I'd rather he did than they brought Samit Patel back, personally.
 

Viscount Tom

International Debutant
What about Woakes, you know the pretty handy bowler he of a non-caveman style eyebrow very useful batsman to boot.
 

Stumpcam

U19 Captain
Stuart Meaker has been called into the England squad to replace Anderson for the ODI at the Oval, as Jimmy has a slight groin strain.
I hope the selectors know what they are doing, Meaker's gone for 18 in his first over in the T20 between Hants & Surrey! :surprise::scared:
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Stuart Meaker has been called into the England squad to replace Anderson for the ODI at the Oval, as Jimmy has a slight groin strain.
Manee to be pleased.

I hope he plays, I'd rather he did than they brought Samit Patel back, personally.
I'd be more inclined to pick Samit, tbh. Picking five bowlers to bowl ten each when they're all quality is one thing, but picking Meaker to be the fifth bowler, bat eleven and probably end up splitting his overs with Ravi seems a bit of a waste. I would've picked Woakes personally but now that he hasn't been picked I think it has to be Patel.
 

amanuensis

U19 12th Man
Manee to be pleased.



I'd be more inclined to pick Samit, tbh. Picking five bowlers to bowl ten each when they're all quality is one thing, but picking Meaker to be the fifth bowler, bat eleven and probably end up splitting his overs with Ravi seems a bit of a waste. I would've picked Woakes personally but now that he hasn't been picked I think it has to be Patel.
Would Patel not be more likely to get belted? Surely Clarke et al would look to target him?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Would Patel not be more likely to get belted? Surely Clarke et al would look to target him?
Well he has a lower economy rate than Meaker in every form of cricket and will be more used to/suited to bowling in the middle overs, so even if I concede Meaker is the better bowler I certainly don't think Patel is more likely to be belted, no. It's not exactly the point anyway; England are playing a batsman short and while I agree it's worth it if they're picking five quality bowlers, what Meaker adds with the ball isn't worth playing a batsman short.
 

amanuensis

U19 12th Man
Well he has a lower economy rate than Meaker in every form of cricket and will be more used to/suited to bowling in the middle overs, so even if I concede Meaker is the better bowler I certainly don't think Patel is more likely to be belted, no. It's not exactly the point anyway; England are playing a batsman short and while I agree it's worth it if they're picking five quality bowlers, what Meaker adds with the ball isn't worth playing a batsman short.
Fair enough - I shouldn't have used the term "belted", having no idea of their relative economy rates. But surely their whole philosophy now is to take wickets, something Patel/Bopara isn't likely to do? And if they're worried about the batting, why not address the real problem, ie. the muppet currently masquerading as a number four?
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Have to laugh at Watson saying the Aussies have a better balanced side with more batting. That may be so but England don't have a completely useless twonk batting at 6 who isn't good enough as a bat or a bowler but he can field a bit.

Should win the series even without Anderson. Looking forward to the next game more than I expected I would. Seeing Aussies get beaten easily is never hard to watch.
Someone should've countered with "well, Oz would be if you actually grew a brain and started scoring runs."

Watto is a huge problem for Australia atm - massive talent that doesnt have the ability to score runs because of a lack of grey matter

I am firmly of the belief that he should be punted back to fc cricket
 

benchmark00

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Just watching the highlights (again).

Was a pretty ordinary effort from Wade for the glance Cook tickled down leg off Twatto. Looked to be late getting there, which is hard to believe given the ball was so on-sideish.

His keeping not his stronger suit?

&, loath as I am to agree with Murphy, "soulless accumulator" is pretty apt for Trott's innings. I'd imagine IJL Trott would consider it a compliment too. He's the ultimate bargain basement run maker; no frills, no fuss, no wasted effort.

:huh:


Craig says "hi".
:laugh:

Yeah, extraordinary.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Have to laugh at Watson saying the Aussies have a better balanced side with more batting. That may be so but England don't have a completely useless twonk batting at 6 who isn't good enough as a bat or a bowler but he can field a bit.
I like Kieswetter, but he's a pretty useless number 6 in ODI's.

Better bowler though :ph34r:

Without Anderson there will be Dernbach=runs, I'm afraid:(

Would rather Bopara bowl.
I hope they bring in Patel tbh. I think he'll actually go for less runs than Dernbach and he offers some good lower order batting. At the moment I think the top order are a tad cautios with Bres at 7, and Patel in there with Bres, Broad and Swann lower would allow the top order to accelerate earlier. I like the idea of 2 spinners at the Oval as well. Pitch is likely to give no lateral movement to the seamers, and it often turns there.
 

amanuensis

U19 12th Man
I like Kieswetter, but he's a pretty useless number 6 in ODI's.

Better bowler though :ph34r:



I hope they bring in Patel tbh. I think he'll actually go for less runs than Dernbach and he offers some good lower order batting. At the moment I think the top order are a tad cautios with Bres at 7, and Patel in there with Bres, Broad and Swann lower would allow the top order to accelerate earlier. I like the idea of 2 spinners at the Oval as well. Pitch is likely to give no lateral movement to the seamers, and it often turns there.
Surely the current configuration (5 batsmen, 1 batsman/keeper & 5 bowlers) is a sensible compromise with 2 new balls in play? How often do bits & pieces players really do enough with the ball?
 

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England v Australia, NatWest Series, The Oval: 'Lazy' David Warner works to liven up | Cricket News | England v Australia | ESPN Cricinfo

Most interesting bit for me;

Clarke will also think again how best to use Steve Smith, who he considers an allrounder but remains reluctant to bowl. Smith's batting looked far from likely to trouble England at Lord's, though he has been cast in the kind of role usually ascribed to the far more experienced Michael Hussey.
First I've heard of him being reluctant as opposed to Clarke not rating him.
 

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Yeah you're right, it could definitely be read that way too and is, let's face it, more likely.
 

uvelocity

International Coach
yeah they meant Clarke reluctant to bowl him.

Just the way it happened, runrate was good from our view until the batting powerplay and last 10, which is when you don't want smith bowling.

I've said it before, but want wadey opening and watto at 3. Then clarke, followed by dussey/bailey/forrest/smith (shift them around as required by circumstance)

Sharing doherty's overs between dussey/smith/clarke and perhaps even warner for a lark and playing both of bailey and forrest could be something to do as well.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
IMO, there is nothing Doherty can offer that splitting overs between Smith, Hussey and Clarke wouldn't achieve.

Never looked like a threat.
 

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