***Official*** Australia in England 2012

[howardj]

I think this panel is starting to irk me in the way that Hilditch's reign did. It's bad enough using the ODI team as a training ground for the Ashes (****, I hate our obsession with the Ashes...Australian cricket is bigger than the Ashes, surely?) but the players they have chosen to blood in this regard (Forrest, Bailey) are middling FC plodders. In fact, I would bracket them with Ed Cowan; our newly minted Test opener who has a sub 30 Test average.

 

[robelinda]

Scary stuff. 3 Ashes series in the next 3 years, could be a VERY long time until we win again in england, its already been 11 years, cannot see it happening in 2013 or 2015.

 

[Spikey]

ravi bop match winner

 

[Burgey]

I think this panel is starting to irk me in the way that Hilditch's reign did. It's bad enough using the ODI team as a training ground for the Ashes (****, I hate our obsession with the Ashes...Australian cricket is bigger than the Ashes, surely?) but the players they have chosen to blood in this regard (Forrest, Bailey) are middling FC plodders. In fact, I would bracket them with Ed Cowan; our newly minted Test opener who has a sub 30 Test average.

So who would you put there in their stead?

 

[howardj]

THe other Ashes aspirant our panel has earmarked/annointed, David Hussey, also alarms me.

 

[howardj]

So who would you put there in their stead?

I would just choose our best ODI team

Ferguson, for one, is a better bet than those chappies

 

[howardj]

To be clear, I didn't mind the ODI team being used as a way to introduce the CLarke's etc. (obviously talented young punks with a big furture) into the international furnace, but not for hacks like Forrest.

 

[howardj]

and clarke was never likely to stink up the ODI side either, as he was relatively freewheeling

forrest on the other hand

sorry, but it's just this guy being handed the premiere spot in the lineup, on the basis of?

I think it's selection malpractice, it's so far off the charts

 

[uvelocity]

mods delete thread

 

[pup11]

Agree with a lot of things howardj said but I think its high time the senior players are told to take a hike as well, its pretty easy bagging guys with next to no international experience who get an odd chance here and there but blokes with experience and fat juicy central contracts just move on from every debacle without having to face any consequences for their lack of performance.

To analyse what really has gone wrong with Australian cricket over the last few years one only needs to follow the career graph of guys like Johnson, Haddin or Watson, they all are supremely talented players but they have shown very little effort to improve or iron out the flaws from their game, Cricket Australia too don't seem to mind that because these guys are apparently ''match winners'' who turn it on once in every ten games and win games on their own.

The problem is when the management itself has embraced mediocrity with both hands then why should the players lose any sleep over their inconsistent performances, unfortunately the irony of the whole situation is that the young players are the one's who are being expected to carry most of the weight of the national side and hence its no surprise to see them fail.

On a side note can't understand all the heat directed towards Bailey, last time I checked he had scored more runs than any other Aussie batsmen since coming into the national side, or is the reason for disliking him his boyish Ron Weasley like looks...!?

 

[Spikey]

why on earth did forrest think he could run a quick two

 

[social]

why on earth did forrest think he could run a quick two

Was hit to Patel, who is an horrible fieldsman, but still a shocking run

 

[Dan]

I think this panel is starting to irk me in the way that Hilditch's reign did. It's bad enough using the ODI team as a training ground for the Ashes (****, I hate our obsession with the Ashes...Australian cricket is bigger than the Ashes, surely?) but the players they have chosen to blood in this regard (Forrest, Bailey) are middling FC plodders. In fact, I would bracket them with Ed Cowan; our newly minted Test opener who has a sub 30 Test average.

So who would you be picking for the Test side if batting slots open up?

On the case of Cowan, Steve Waugh didn't score an international ton in his first four years as a player. He averaged 50. Give Cowan a few more Tests to settle in. Not 4 years, obvs, but we can afford to give him a chance - it's not like we've got six Test quality openers lining up behind him.

 

[social]

Agree with a lot of things howardj said but I think its high time the senior players are told to take a hike as well, its pretty easy bagging guys with next to no international experience who get an odd chance here and there but blokes with experience and fat juicy central contracts just move on from every debacle without having to face any consequences for their lack of performance.

To analyse what really has gone wrong with Australian cricket over the last few years one only needs to follow the career graph of guys like Johnson, Haddin or Watson, they all are supremely talented players but they have shown very little effort to improve or iron out the flaws from their game, Cricket Australia too don't seem to mind that because these guys are apparently ''match winners'' who turn it on once in every ten games and win games on their own.

The problem is when the management itself has embraced mediocrity with both hands then why should the players lose any sleep over their inconsistent performances, unfortunately the irony of the whole situation is that the young players are the one's who are being expected to carry most of the weight of the national side and hence its no surprise to see them fail.

On a side note can't understand all the heat directed towards Bailey, last time I checked he had scored more runs than any other Aussie batsmen since coming into the national side, or is the reason for disliking him his boyish Ron Weasley like looks...!?

Said it before but I would punt Watson for the time being as the guy never learns - 3 innings in this series for 3 get out shots is typical and not good enough for a senior player

I'm sick of people calling him a great player (e.g. Arthur did it just the other day) when his performances dont come remotely close to matching his talent or the $4 million he supposedly makes each year

It might be painful but I'd much rather see a guy like Cowan putting a high price on his wicket than a guy who everyone knows is a few nice shots away from chucking his wicket away every ****ing innings

What's more, by the way Oz played against India, so would his team-mates

 

[robelinda]

"England completed a 4-0 victory, the heaviest defeat of an Australian ODI side in any bilateral series in the 41-year history of limited overs internationals. "

BUT, which other international team would beat England over there? Only SA stands a chance, the rest would be whitewashed or thrashed just like most team cover the past 3 years in England. I think England are just quite good right now, *grabs gun and shoots self*

 

[Spark]

I'm less concerned by the fact we lost than the fact that we seemed to get worse as time went on.

 

[Spikey]

i mean, bopara out performed pretty much every aus bowler

 

[social]

So who would you be picking for the Test side if batting slots open up?

On the case of Cowan, Steve Waugh didn't score an international ton in his first four years as a player. He averaged 50. Give Cowan a few more Tests to settle in. Not 4 years, obvs, but we can afford to give him a chance - it's not like we've got six Test quality openers lining up behind him.

Cricket Records | Sheffield Shield, 2011/12 | Records | Most runs | ESPN Cricinfo

Of the top run scorers in Sheffield Shield last year, 4 of the top 6 were openers whilst Klinger also bats there a lot

Now either the standard of SS attacks is crap compared to the rest of the world or we have a number of candidates that could hypothetically step into the role and do a job

 

[Spikey]

Cowan more or less had to be picked.

However I don't think enough discussion was had about the actual runs scored. a couple of them were junk time 2nd innings tons, one was AB field, one was on Canberra. and then remember his first 4 odd matches for the season he didn't pass 30 in any of them.

 

[Spark]

Cricket Records | Sheffield Shield, 2011/12 | Records | Most runs | ESPN Cricinfo

Of the top run scorers in Sheffield Shield last year, 4 of the top 6 were openers whilst Klinger also bats there a lot

Now either the standard of SS attacks is crap compared to the rest of the world or we have a number of candidates that could hypothetically step into the role and do a job

they're all about the same age though, in that awkward 'lost-generation' bracket. plus they too have the kind of high-30s-low-40s averages which leaves you in doubt about their long-term class (as with cowan).

ideally we'd want a 22-23 year old player with a 45+ average over two seasons or so, but