*Official* Australia in decline thread

[Salamuddin]

The thing that distinguishes great sides is their ability to consistently bowl other teams out.

Australia have had three champion bowlers in Warne, Gillespie and McGrath and I really believe that its been these 3 that have been the driving force behind much of Australia's success.

But Warne's 34 and Mcgrath turns 34 next month. the latter is getting more injury prone.
Whether they will be the same bowlers they were before remains to be seen.
IMO Australia don't have the quality in their reserve bowlers to replace these two (at least in the short to medium term). You can't really say much about young prospects like Tait, Johnson and Bird until they've played test cricket.

So I think Australia will have more problems getting sides out under Ponting than they did under Waugh This will mean increased pressure on the Aussie batting --> hence, Ponting's winning record won't be as good.

 

[Tom Halsey]

True. Lee is rubbish, I don't rate Bichel or Williams, and the rest are all too young to make a judgement.

 

[Eclipse]

I agree with Adil here. The only real talent coming through is Michael Clark, and possibly Alan Tait.

It's Shaun Tait actualy and there are quite a few talented young players coming through more than ever in my opinion.

problem is most of them are young batsman not bowlers.

 

[mavric41]

It's Shuan Tait actualy and there are quite a few talented young players coming through more than ever in my opinion.

problem is most of them are young batsman not bowlers.

SHAUN TAIT!!!

 

[Eclipse]

SHAUN TAIT!!!

typo !! no need to go overboard.

 

[Richard]

The New Zealand bowlers like Tuffey, Oram & Mills are currently working on reverse swing so that they can be alot more dangerous.

They're using various methods like each taking a ball back to their hotel room & rubbing them continuously.
Or even using sandpaper at practice to figure out how rough the ball needs to be before it reverses.

It may sound weird or stupid, but these guys get paid alot to play cricket so there's no reason why they shouldn't do some homework outside of game-time either.

Good for them.
Now they need to actually learn to bowl the reverse.

 

[StUEy]

The Australian Cricket future, never looked so good

Australia, whislt touring Sri Lanka, even in recent tours, seem to be really announcing a squad that may reflect the future of Australian Cricket.

With the recent arrival of Andrew Symonds, Simon Katich, Brad Williams and Nathan Bracken to the test and one day team, it really does show that Cricket Australia are poising for the future.

The current and vintage form of Andrew Symonds after the 2003 World Cup in South Africa, has made his chances for the test team ever more increasing, with being named in the test squad.

Simon Katich has really started to peak as a classy player, with his great form in the Australian Domestic Season, and his great performances for the Australian Test Team, especially his debut hundred against India. Since moving to New South Wales from Western Australia, Katich's improving talent has secured him not only Test debut, but appearing in recent One Day Internationals.

Brad Williams and Nathan Bracken, are promising emergants in the fast bowling stocks, with having great perfmances in the recent series against India. Brad Williams has managed to keep a place in the Australian team, whilst Nathan Bracken has suffered from a re-occuring hip injury, that has kept him out of the game for a couple of weeks. Bracken is concentrating on recovery and cementing a place in the Australian Team for future tours, planned further in the year.

I can't leave out; the emerging dangerous talent of Michael Clarke, who has consistently performed in the Australian One Day Team, for the past year. Recently he has been overlooked for a Test birth in the Australian Team, but surely it can't be long before he cracks in.

Some of the new blood into the Australian Team, have been fortunate enough, because of some key players who have been struck down with injuries or suspensions. McGrath and Warne, have been the two noticable absenties of late. Warne has gained a spot in the Australian Test Team after a contraversal year of suspension, with McGrath playing local cricket, still recovering from his ankle injury.

With the future looking bright for the Australian Cricket Team, who will be the next set of young guns creeping into the Australia Team, for the future?

 

[marc71178]

Re: The Australian Cricket future, never looked so good

I can't leave out; the emerging dangerous talent of Michael Clarke, who has consistently performed in the Australian One Day Team, for the past year.

Not really consistent performance - started very well, but his form has tailed off a fair bit.

 

[Eclipse]

Bracken need's to re-model his action to be a good test cricketer.

ATM his only asset is accuracy and bowling a good line and length.

He can also swing the white ball enough to be a very good ODI bowler and he is but he is not good enough for tests IMO.

Williams is quite good on seaming wickets or wickets with good bounce plus keeps it tight in ODI's but again he is not that great in tests and he is not that young ether.


Agreed on Clark it would be a major supprise to see him not have a very good International carear.


There are some very good young players around for the first time in ages ATM but you only really mentioned one of them in Clark.

 

[Gaijin-san]

Re: The Australian Cricket future, never looked so good

Since moving to New South Wales from Western Australia, Katich's improving talent has secured him not only Test debut, but appearing in recent One Day Internationals.

Both debuts occured before his move to NSW.

Knew someone would pounce on the line about Clarke's consistency, but it's true. Still, that is no fair reflection of his ability. He's a superfreak. Speaking of superfreaks, how about Marcus North for up and coming? People are starting to take me seriously about him, he's got it. Anyone who can hit over the top of point with his success is a talented man.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Agreed on Clark it would be a major supprise to see him not have a very good International carear.

Stuart?

 

[StUEy]

The name is Stuart

The name is Stuart. StUEy is my nickname on the web.

Thankyou Plz for replying

 

[Gaijin-san]

Er... Let me englighten you. :saint:

You spelt Michael Clarke's name wrong. For example, a player with the name Clark would be Stuart Clark.

Although I think a better choice would have been Michael Clark from WA, Liam! :P

 

[Richard]

IMO Stuart Clark is a far better bowler than Michael. And certainly both are better than Michael Clarke!
No doubting who's the better batsman, though.

 

[Richard]

Australia, whislt touring Sri Lanka, even in recent tours, seem to be really announcing a squad that may reflect the future of Australian Cricket.

With the recent arrival of Andrew Symonds, Simon Katich, Brad Williams and Nathan Bracken to the test and one day team, it really does show that Cricket Australia are poising for the future.

The current and vintage form of Andrew Symonds after the 2003 World Cup in South Africa, has made his chances for the test team ever more increasing, with being named in the test squad.

Simon Katich has really started to peak as a classy player, with his great form in the Australian Domestic Season, and his great performances for the Australian Test Team, especially his debut hundred against India. Since moving to New South Wales from Western Australia, Katich's improving talent has secured him not only Test debut, but appearing in recent One Day Internationals.

Brad Williams and Nathan Bracken, are promising emergants in the fast bowling stocks, with having great perfmances in the recent series against India. Brad Williams has managed to keep a place in the Australian team, whilst Nathan Bracken has suffered from a re-occuring hip injury, that has kept him out of the game for a couple of weeks. Bracken is concentrating on recovery and cementing a place in the Australian Team for future tours, planned further in the year.

I can't leave out; the emerging dangerous talent of Michael Clarke, who has consistently performed in the Australian One Day Team, for the past year. Recently he has been overlooked for a Test birth in the Australian Team, but surely it can't be long before he cracks in.

Some of the new blood into the Australian Team, have been fortunate enough, because of some key players who have been struck down with injuries or suspensions. McGrath and Warne, have been the two noticable absenties of late. Warne has gained a spot in the Australian Test Team after a contraversal year of suspension, with McGrath playing local cricket, still recovering from his ankle injury.

With the future looking bright for the Australian Cricket Team, who will be the next set of young guns creeping into the Australia Team, for the future?

I would genuinely suspect this was more sarcasm than seriousness if I didn't know better.
How OTT can you get?

 

[unregistreduser]

well i live in australia but that doesnt mean i support the australians in any way. With that in mind...

while the acb are not dumb, they cant help too much that australia has peaked and they are going in a downward slump in the quality of players they are producing, but then again, arnt most countries at the moment? (xept obviously india)

you mention the australian cricket team are in safe hands with bowlers like bracken and williams? Is that a joke? From glenn mcgrath to nathan bracken is a huge leap, its going from one of the best bowlers in the world to a state standard bowler, and that is all he and williams are. All they have is the ability to land the ball in the right place..most ofthe times.... That is all they have and that is what allot of bowlers have. They do however have the support of playing in a team that is confident chasing large totals quickly unlike bowlers in england say.

With the retirement of steve waugh from the test team, it opened up a spot for a batsman, or maybe an allrounder. Surely darren lehman will take that as clarke is the only other alternative (now maybe symonds, but that is yet to be proven). Apart from andrew and clarke, australia is fairly stuffed on the batting for the future too. No ricky pontings, no matthew haydens..and the australians are feeling the pinch too... the fielding of late has been far from what we expect from the world champions, and the test series in australia against india was a poor result.....for the indians, as they clearly outplayed australia.

Shane warne aka the cheat, has just come back out of suspension after a controversal decision only to ban him for one out of the possible 2 years, means that they wont need a spinner... hes past his prime n e way and he'll be gone in a few years and theres no one that can replace the days he used to run riot over nearly every batsman on the face of the planet.

No more mcgrath, no more warne, no more 'steve'e wonder'... the australian cricket future hasnt looked so dismal in a number of years, and its about bloody time.

 

[Andre]

No ricky pontings, no matthew haydens..

Shane warne aka the cheat, has just come back out of suspension after a controversal decision only to ban him for one out of the possible 2 years, means that they wont need a spinner... hes past his prime n e way and he'll be gone in a few years and theres no one that can replace the days he used to run riot over nearly every batsman on the face of the planet.

No more mcgrath, no more warne, no more 'steve'e wonder'... the australian cricket future hasnt looked so dismal in a number of years, and its about bloody time.

Welcome to the forums

To be fair, players of these calibre don't emerge every day, and as soon as most people realise it the better. Australia has been fortunate to have up to 5 'greats' of the game at one time - this can't be boasted by many sides in history.

While it will take a fair achievement to topple their predessesors, it's a fair guess to say they will still do a far more than compentent job. The inevitable slide won't be as heavy as the one experianced in the 1980's.

 

[chris.hinton]

Is Michael Clarke going to be just a One day player?

 

[marc71178]

Almost certainly not.

At the moment he isn't good enough for the Test team, but in a few years time, there will be a space for him in the middle order.

 

[Blewy]

Shane warne aka the cheat, has just come back out of suspension after a controversal decision only to ban him for one out of the possible 2 years, means that they wont need a spinner... hes past his prime n e way and he'll be gone in a few years and theres no one that can replace the days he used to run riot over nearly every batsman on the face of the planet.

welcome to the Forums Arjuna... oops i mean Unregistereduser...

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