*Official* Australia in decline thread

[silentstriker]

They will still win more than they lose and will remain hard to beat at home(only WI have beaten a FULL-STERNGTH Australia in a home series since Illy's team way back in 1971) but they will find it harder to win away from home. Closer to the pack IMO - but they will not fall apart like the Windies did post Greenidge, Richards, Marshall and Dujon.

TBH, Windies didn't fall apart. They were still decent with Ambrose, Lara and Walsh.

 

[aussie]

You could say did, even though they had Walsh, Ambi & Lara they have hardly won any major test series home/away since 95.

Their best results since 95 are:

beat India twice at home in 97/2002, drew 2-2 vs Australia @ home in 99, drew 1-1 with Pakistan in 2005, beat England 3-1 in 98, drew 2-2 in England 95, beat Zimbabwe home 99 & away twice in 2001 & 2003, beat NZ home 96, beat SRI home in 97 & 2003 & beat Bangladesh away/home 2002/2005.

So compared to what they were achieving before 95, they have fallen apart.

 

[33/3from3.3]

i sure hope it's the end of Aussie Dominance

 

[GotSpin]

are you guys even reading?

did i say anything about their batting?

So batting doesn't count towards dominance?

 

[straightbat]

well,

take warney and mcgrath out of 2005 ashes and england would have won 5-0

take them out of this ashes series and england would have won 5-0

infact take them out of any series in the last 5 years and you will see alot of difference to the results

no bowlers can take their place right away and noone can act like nothing has happened

there will be alot of difference in results

Not the most thought out post i have read on this site. I can't see how you can say England would have won anything 5-0 without the two great bowlers, you are speculating at best. Like all teams in world cricket take out there two of their best players and results will be different and remember Australia was without Warne and Mcgrath for 1 year periods in the last 5 years and have still done alright,ie,dominated.

Other teams and their supporters are hoping this will bring Australia to their level, they have being waiting for years for this to happen instead of improving. The teams that have given Australia their biggest challenges recently have gone backwards.After the debacle of the mid 80's Australia set a system in place to stop that ever happening again, thus they have the best domestic competition in the world and the most depth.

Australia will still dominate world cricket until other teams set about improving their standard instead of waiting for Australia to go backwards.

 

[Arrow]

So batting doesn't count towards dominance?

Bowling is more important. Just take a look at this series and see how many times warne and mcgrath have bailed us out. Without them England would have probably won the perth test and at least drawn Adelaide.
In almost every test they played they have created the 'turning point' and changed the nature of the test, just when it looked like the opposition was going to seize the advantage.
In the future when the tide is turning, it will keep on turning because without Warne/mcgrath we wont be able to create the bit of magic to break through.

Just look at the 2003 series In australia against India where Australia looked human and Indian batsmen ran amok. That was a sign of things to come.

 

[Dasa]

i sure hope it's the end of Aussie Dominance

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Bowling is more important. Just take a look at this series and see how many times warne and mcgrath have bailed us out. Without them England would have probably won the perth test and at least drawn Adelaide.
In almost every test they played they have created the 'turning point' and changed the nature of the test, just when it looked like the opposition was going to seize the advantage.
In the future when the tide is turning, it will keep on turning because without Warne/mcgrath we wont be able to create the bit of magic to break through.

Just look at the 2003 series In australia against India where Australia looked human and Indian batsmen ran amok. That was a sign of things to come.

They wouldn't have won in Perth. The Aussies made 500 in their second innings, so they would have at least drawn.

 

[LA ICE-E]

its not thier end just yet....it will be the end the rest of the players around 35 retire too which will probably be after the world cup but they'll still be a good team

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

If Australia's bowling was going to be rubbish without Warne and McGrath, of course it would be the end of Australia's dominance, but I don't really think it will be. McGrath hasn't been leading the attack in test cricket for a few series now, and if he does retire (which hasn't been confirmed) he will certainly do so with the understanding that his body isn't up to the strain of international cricket any more. He's still obviously a great bowler who is probably the hardest in the world to face on a helpful wicket and capable of running through any team, but with some strong support available I don't see his retirement as crippling, any more than say losing Steve Waugh was.

Warne is obviously a different story, and Australia will have to learn to get by without him. It will see a drop in performance, and possibly more lost and drawn tests, but Australia will still be the best team in the world by a fairly comfortable margin, IMO. With England already having lost here, it's hard to see who is going to come to Australia and win a series any time in the next four years, and that's a fair while in international cricket.

The 2009 Ashes and the subcontinent tours in the intervening period will be extremely challenging, though.

 

[R_D]

I certainly agree that it will end of aussie dominance... haven't we all been waiting for that day

But they'll still be a very good side thou... they won't have that aura of invincibility that they had year or 2 ago.... its been going down for a while noe and with these giants retiring.. it'll further dismantle that but i still think they'll be winning many matches. You might see bit more competitive cricket i guess rather than aussies dominating every series they play in.

 

[AussieDominance]

There is never going to be an end to AussieDominance

 

[vic_orthdox]

Only temporary suspensions?

 

[AussieDominance]

Only temporary suspensions?

No Jack that is not possible with me

If you dont get a spinner's spot in the Victorian Squad next year your a disgrace

 

[pasag]

Haha Threes

 

[AussieDominance]

i sure hope it's the end of Aussie Dominance

shhh you.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Solid effort from Gundry there. Proud of ya.

 

[Nate]

Haha Gundry, gets some respect back. Beginning of a long walk.

Haha, it`s clear that the thread-starter doesn`t know much about cricket, but that`s cool. You`re on the right path in thinking Australia will be weaker without Warne and McGrath, heck, take the two best bowlers out of any side and they`ve got problems. But IMO Australia`s depth is good enough to cover it, with the exception of a quality spinner.

 

[AussieDominance]

Haha Gundry, gets some respect back. Beginning of a long walk.

Haha, it`s clear that the thread-starter doesn`t know much about cricket, but that`s cool. You`re on the right path in thinking Australia will be weaker without Warne and McGrath, heck, take the two best bowlers out of any side and they`ve got problems. But IMO Australia`s depth is good enough to cover it, with the exception of a quality spinner.

It's gonna be a long walk back in my dad's eyes

 

[Arrow]

They wouldn't have won in Perth. The Aussies made 500 in their second innings, so they would have at least drawn.

Umm Flintoff was on a roll, if he had not been removed England would have probably won.