**Official** Australia in Bangladesh

[GotSpin]

We can get the mods to issue a warning like they did here. Maybe they can delete posts which go down that route.

Ok then, sounds like a good idea for a thread but can potentially turn pear shaped

 

[social]

Without having the benefit of reading much of this thread, this much is clear.

Aus are tired.

Bangas, whilst deserving test status, have virtually no-one that is worthy of FC status but should be persevered with.

Despite this, the game is still in the balance.

I like the looks of the young spin bowler whilst Rafique really is ordinary.

One has variation, turns the ball, and has good flight but is only 21 (?).

Rafique is a round arm trundler that will only succeed when the ball keeps low and the pitch is slow.

Mortaza is crap whilst his new ball partner has aggression, pace, and some movement. I like his attitude!

Unfortunately, Bangas bats are horrible. Only the captain is worth his place. Unlike SL in their early days, not one player has a technique that would survive grade cricket.

However, they have a population of 147 million and will be a force in the future.

 

[chaminda_00]

Without having the benefit of reading much of this thread, this much is clear.

Aus are tired.

Bangas, whilst deserving test status, have virtually no-one that is worthy of FC status but should be persevered with.

Despite this, the game is still in the balance.

I like the looks of the young spin bowler whilst Rafique really is ordinary.

One has variation, turns the ball, and has good flight but is only 21 (?).

Rafique is a round arm trundler that will only succeed when the ball keeps low and the pitch is slow.

Mortaza is crap whilst his new ball partner has aggression, pace, and some movement. I like his attitude!

Unfortunately, Bangas bats are horrible. Only the captain is worth his place. Unlike SL in their early days, not one player has a technique that would survive grade cricket.

However, they have a population of 147 million and will be a force in the future.

Your kidding aren't

Omar, Ashraful (3), Bashar (3), Mushud, Nafees and Rafique all have Test century, but wouldn't be able to cope in grade cricket in Australia.

Ashraful is one of the best if the best 21 yo bats in the world, better then any Australian bat at the same age, but he couldn't cope in FC cricket.

Nafees scores a century against Australia and look competetly at ease aganist Lee pace, but his not good enough to play FC cricket

Haque Jnr is already a better bowler in Cullen and you don't think he up to FC cricket.

Rafique may not be prettiest bowler but he has 7-fer in Test Cricket and a lot of them have been against the top 8 sides, including Australia (in the 1st innings), his diffently good enough to play FC and is Test standard. He would walk into must Australian domestic teams.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I agree about Enamul Haque Jnr as compared to Rafique. Rafique has had a decent career, but I don't rate him very highly as a bowler. He's far too defensively-minded for someone who should play primarily on turning wickets. He seemed genuinely afraid of some of the Australian batsmen, particularly today, as he repeadly fired the ball in flat and gave up on turn and aggressive bowling strategies to ensure that the batsmen couldn't come down the pitch at him and score runs.

Haque on the other hand isn't afraid to toss the ball up and go for runs, he turns the ball more, has more variation and relies less on the pitch to help him out. He's a wonderful prospect.

I do however also rate Mortaza. The guy showed huge guts and promise in England, and he's miles more accurate than Hossein. I doubt Mortaza has the pace or variety to ever be a majorly successful test bowler, but he can do a job pretty well, and could well be very good in ODIs. Shahadat Hossein is much quicker and more aggressive, and he's improved on his accuracy since the last time I saw him, but he's still a bit wayward and has a fair bit to learn before he's going to be much good.

Among the batsmen, Shahriar Nafees is clearly the pick of them. I've rated him ever since the first time I saw him bat in the NWS last year. He's got a pretty solid technique, especially compared to his teammates, and from what I rememebr he handled the short ball surprisingly well (which is really where most of Bangladesh's batsmen fall apart overseas). He's also got a great temprament and all the shots, and unlike Ashraful and Aftab Ahmed he knows how to pick the right ball to hit. I think he could easily average into the 30s in test cricket and be a solid opener for Bangladesh for a few years.

Bashar is alright, Aftab Ahmed has bit talent and he's already good in ODIs, and Ashraful is obviously pretty dangerous when he gets lucky, even though he's awful at picking the ball to hit. I don't rate the rest much, and really I think Nafees is the only one who is a real class act in tests at this time, but there's no doubt Bangladesh are a much better team than they were 18 months or so ago, with both bat and ball.

 

[social]

Your kidding aren't

Omar, Ashraful (3), Bashar (3), Mushud, Nafees and Rafique all have Test century, but wouldn't be able to cope in grade cricket in Australia.

Ashraful is one of the best if the best 21 yo bats in the world, better then any Australian bat at the same age, but he couldn't cope in FC cricket.

Nafees scores a century against Australia and look competetly at ease aganist Lee pace, but his not good enough to play FC cricket

Haque Jnr is already a better bowler in Cullen and you don't think he up to FC cricket.

Rafique may not be prettiest bowler but he has 7-fer in Test Cricket and a lot of them have been against the top 8 sides, including Australia (in the 1st innings), his diffently good enough to play FC and is Test standard. He would walk into must Australian domestic teams.

The captain is fine but the rest are horrible.

Ashraful must be the world's most overrated slogger. If he played for anyone else he wouldnt rate a mention.

Nafees, please. He came up against a buggered Aus attack and chanced his arm. There's a reason why he hasnt scored a fc century before you know. Did you see the guy bat?

If you read my post, I said Haque jnr was a better prospect than Rafique. The latter is cannon fodder on anything other than a slow, low bouncing track.

Aus has monumental problems, e.g. why didnt Clarke watch Gilly bat, but let's not try to paper over Bangas obvious weaknesses.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I have to agree that Ashraful is pretty overrated. The guy can play shots, but there's plenty of better 21 year olds in Australian cricket who wouldn't get a real look-in to the test side, and to suggest otherwise is pretty short-sighted.

Nafees is much better than you are giving him credit for, though.

 

[chaminda_00]

I have to agree that Ashraful is pretty overrated. The guy can play shots, but there's plenty of better 21 year olds in Australian cricket who wouldn't get a real look-in to the test side, and to suggest otherwise is pretty short-sighted.

Nafees is much better than you are giving him credit for, though.

I can't see any 21 year old in Australia, playing innings like he has against Sri Lanka. The two centuries that he scored against us, were pure class, as was the one he scored against Australia in Cardiff. But he is one of those players that at his best his unstopable, regardless of the bowling attack, but at his worst he would struggle to make a shires side.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I can't see any 21 year old in Australia, playing innings like he has against Sri Lanka. The two centuries that he scored against us, were pure class, as was the one he scored against Australia in Cardiff. But he is one of those players that at his best his unstopable, regardless of the bowling attack, but at his worst he would struggle to make a shires side.

Obviously he plays a telling innings from time to time, but making a century once every dozen tests and 10 off 8 then holing out the rest of the time doesn't make you one of the most talented of any age in the world. I'd take Mark Cosgrove, for one, over Ashraful. That's not an attack on Bangladesh as a whole, because I think they have several better batsmen than Ashraful, but despite how dangerous he is I just don't think he's responsible enough to play test cricket. He probably wouldn't make a first class side in Australia or England either, based on the way he plays most of the time.

He's better in ODIs though, because his style of play is better suited by the fielding conditions among other things, and obviously 30 off 20 balls in an ODI isn't too bad.

 

[social]

I can't see any 21 year old in Australia, playing innings like he has against Sri Lanka. The two centuries that he scored against us, were pure class, as was the one he scored against Australia in Cardiff. But he is one of those players that at his best his unstopable, regardless of the bowling attack, but at his worst he would struggle to make a shires side.

30 odd tests for an ave of 25.

Style over substance.

Glen McGrath would've cringed at the 2 innings he's played in this test!

 

[chaminda_00]

Obviously he plays a telling innings from time to time, but making a century once every dozen tests and 10 off 8 then holing out the rest of the time doesn't make you one of the most talented of any age in the world. I'd take Mark Cosgrove, for one, over Ashraful. That's not an attack on Bangladesh as a whole, because I think they have several better batsmen than Ashraful, but despite how dangerous he is I just don't think he's responsible enough to play test cricket. He probably wouldn't make a first class side in Australia or England either, based on the way he plays most of the time.

He's better in ODIs though, because his style of play is better suited by the fielding conditions among other things, and obviously 30 off 20 balls in an ODI isn't too bad.

Considering guys like O'Brien, Simmons, Mail, Richards and Packman for example can make the NSW side with averages in the low 30s or 20s, i would say that Ashraful would be able to make the NSW batting line up atleast. Then you have the Tasmania and well then some English batting line ups. He would be able to make first class sides pretty easierly.

 

[Loony BoB]

Packman

On a completely random note, reading names like these makes me realise just how much of a nerd I am.

 

[marc71178]

Wang. He just demonstrated his point-of-view in the best possible way and you reply like this?

But the thing is, it's always excuses - not putting your hand up and accepting that perhaps they had been outplayed.

I mean apparently on day 1 it was a road, yet by day 2, 6 wickets fell before Australia even reached 100.

 

[marc71178]

He still tries to play spin off the back foot too much, not that the Bangladeshi spinners are good enough to exploit that.

Got him cheaply twice in this game...

 

[marc71178]

In the distant future, such things will be avoided when a bat touches a special patch of pressure-sensitive technology covering the ground behind the crease before the bails are dislodged in a way so that no electrical current can travel from wicket to bail. Mark my words! It'll be failproof.

What about the bowler or a fielder being on the safe pressure pad?

And how would a batsman be bowled since the pressure pad would be activated when standing at the crease...

 

[What-A-Player]

“Magnificent sledging” makes Bangla day


Is that True "Bret"

 

[TT Boy]

“Magnificent sledging” makes Bangla day


Is that True "Bret"

"Nafees said he was so distracted with emotion and happiness that he wasn’t able to smack Lee for another four for a whole three balls, and only scored 16 off that over."

 

[What-A-Player]

So who are on top abusing family members

Pakistanis or Aussies...?

 

[Trigger_Tiger]

.....

"Nafees said he was so distracted with emotion and happiness that he wasn’t able to smack Lee for another four for a whole three balls, and only scored 16 off that over."

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha .....this is just the Test series going on here, I can't simply wait till the ODIs.

Whatever anyone says, Lee can try, but Glenn wil still be the boss at Sledging !!!!!

Oh, and Nafees, could you say it out a little louder next time, so that Lee can stick it into his point of ear and know that not only the Aussies sledge anymore, the 'minnows' have started to sledge as well????? That way our standard in every way would rise a little as well !!!!!

P.S. Take no offense to this post, it's all just good clean fun.

 

[C_C]

Obviously he plays a telling innings from time to time, but making a century once every dozen tests and 10 off 8 then holing out the rest of the time doesn't make you one of the most talented of any age in the world. I'd take Mark Cosgrove, for one, over Ashraful. That's not an attack on Bangladesh as a whole, because I think they have several better batsmen than Ashraful, but despite how dangerous he is I just don't think he's responsible enough to play test cricket. He probably wouldn't make a first class side in Australia or England either, based on the way he plays most of the time.

He's better in ODIs though, because his style of play is better suited by the fielding conditions among other things, and obviously 30 off 20 balls in an ODI isn't too bad.

Ashraful is supremely talented batsman. His reflexes, hand-eye coordination and shotmaking is of the highest drawyer.
The difference between an Ashraful and a Ponting, simply speaking, is not in terms of talent- its the coaching one got from the age of 13-14 to 21-22 that makes the difference.
And that is the reason why its extremely rare in the professional era to find a player averaging 50 with the bat ( Flower is the only one i believe) or under 25 with the ball playing in the early history of a nation's cricket.
These guys, unlike their counterparts in the established test nations, have had little or no coaching in their teenage years and as such, are still learning.
Shot selection is something that is mostly a coached skill. Sure, instinct plays part of it but its a small part.

 

[C_C]

“Magnificent sledging” makes Bangla day


Is that True "Bret"

but wait - i thought most of sledging is 'friendly banter'. I dont care if i am not good enough to represent my club side- if Lee had dared use such language to me, the next pullshot i play would use Lee's head as a ball.