**Official** Australia in Bangladesh

[FaaipDeOiad]

Did it ever occur to you that Warne was probably ASKED about the record? It's not as though Warne called a press conference to have a go at Murali for taking wickets against Bangladesh. Someone obviously asked him about the record and who he thought would take it off him, and Warne implied that Murali would, mainly because he takes a lot of wickets against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, and that he gets to bowl from one end all day at them.

Regardless of what you think about the comments, it's absurd to act as though he has brought it up because he is insecure about losing the record to Murali.

And furthermore, as I said earlier, that is NOT the first time Murali has brought up Warne's record against India. He simply did it again to "hit back" at the Bangladesh comments. It's not something he has been drawn into at all (as though he didn't have a choice to just ignore the comments), it's something he has actively engaged in for his own reasons.

As far as it being fair game to criticise Murali for anything on here, I find it's rather the other way around. Haven't you noticed how many people there are on this forum who dedicate 50% of their posts to attacking Warne or defending Murali in comparison to Warne? And it's certainly not limited to their exploits on the cricket field either. It's routine to call Warne stupid, arrogant, foolish, a moron or whatever, and if anyone was to do the same to Murali they would be set upon rather quickly for it. People do give Murali a lot of crap as well, but it nowhere near as "accepted".

Certainly Warne brings a lot of it on himself, but the general attitude is that Warne is pretty much fair game for anything. Do you see claims, joking or not, that Murali has faked an injury to protect his bowling figures on here? How many people made that exact claim about Warne in this thread?

 

[silentstriker]

From what I see, hear and read, Warne just seems like a total *******. So its hard for me to like him, even though I admire his cricketing abilities. Murali seems more like a decent guy.


So anyway, what about that game? Whats the minimum Bangladesh need to put Australia under a good deal of pressure?

 

[Ikki]

I disagree with almost everything there and instead of posting replies to every point, I'll reiterate, both are guilty. If you're saying it started because the Aussies called Murali a chucker, go back few years, without technology and this joke of a law we have and say: They don't have a case. This is where people in this argument differ. Some actually think that there are folks who call Murali a chucker based on the threat he poses to Warne, rather the fact that they ACTUALLY consider him a chucker.

P.S. What I mean't by 'girlish' (sorry wrong wording) was Murali's passive-aggressive reactions. Warne is an idiot, he isn't political. He'll get himself into strife by saying what he thinks.

 

[silentstriker]

Did it ever occur to you that Warne was probably ASKED about the record? It's not as though Warne called a press conference to have a go at Murali for taking wickets against Bangladesh. Someone obviously asked him about the record and who he thought would take it off him, and Warne implied that Murali would, mainly because he takes a lot of wickets against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, and that he gets to bowl from one end all day at them.

Yea, and Warne's been correcting that discrepency with the boatload of wickets he's taken so far in Bangladesh, right?

 

[howardj]

So anyway, what about that game? Whats the minimum Bangladesh need to put Australia under a good deal of pressure?

They already have enough to put us under pressure. Fifty more runs, and it becomes very challenging. One hundred more runs, and the game is pretty much out of our grasp - we are one batsman short, it should be remembered.

 

[Ikki]

Yea, and Warne's been correcting that discrepency with the boatload of wickets he's taken so far in Bangladesh, right?

LOL. If it was Murali, I know a handful of people who would quickly reply..."Can't you see he's injured, what a travesty! A great sportsman in pain, giving his all, and still mocked."

Sorry to make it seem so demeaning, but it actually does happen.

 

[honestbharani]

No, no. Stop kidding. They just stuck it rich with a few lucky shots and a few streaky ones and then when they came on to bowl, the batsmen just realised it was the end of a long season and decided to get tired and played some lazy shots.

Bangladesh playing better cricket than Australia, even for half a game ??? NO NO

What is this "tiredness" thingy? I mean, I know they have played a heck of a lot of cricket, but haven't India been playing non stop for about the same time? And Gillespie can hardly claim to be tired, he has not even been in the team. Warne only plays tests, can't see how tough it can be for him. Clark is relatively new and has hardly been a fixture. MacGill is playing only tests and only the odd tests at that. It is really only Lee (who has batted, bowled and fielded with gutso for almost the whole season and is genuinely the only man who can claim to be tired because he played in almost every game Australia played).

Funnily enough, when Dravid and Chappell pointed out similar stuff during the Karachi test (imagine bowling for 6 or 7 days on THOSE tracks in that heat) about the Indian bowlers, not much attention was paid. I am almost positive that had me or someone else used that line as a reason, we would have been called "Sore losers". I can see why the batsmen (Ponting, Hussey, Martyn and Gilchrist) will be tired but surely not the bowlers who haven't even played half the games that Australia have played.

 

[honestbharani]

Did it ever occur to you that Warne was probably ASKED about the record? It's not as though Warne called a press conference to have a go at Murali for taking wickets against Bangladesh. Someone obviously asked him about the record and who he thought would take it off him, and Warne implied that Murali would, mainly because he takes a lot of wickets against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, and that he gets to bowl from one end all day at them.

Regardless of what you think about the comments, it's absurd to act as though he has brought it up because he is insecure about losing the record to Murali.

And furthermore, as I said earlier, that is NOT the first time Murali has brought up Warne's record against India. He simply did it again to "hit back" at the Bangladesh comments. It's not something he has been drawn into at all (as though he didn't have a choice to just ignore the comments), it's something he has actively engaged in for his own reasons.

As far as it being fair game to criticise Murali for anything on here, I find it's rather the other way around. Haven't you noticed how many people there are on this forum who dedicate 50% of their posts to attacking Warne or defending Murali in comparison to Warne? And it's certainly not limited to their exploits on the cricket field either. It's routine to call Warne stupid, arrogant, foolish, a moron or whatever, and if anyone was to do the same to Murali they would be set upon rather quickly for it. People do give Murali a lot of crap as well, but it nowhere near as "accepted".

Certainly Warne brings a lot of it on himself, but the general attitude is that Warne is pretty much fair game for anything. Do you see claims, joking or not, that Murali has faked an injury to protect his bowling figures on here? How many people made that exact claim about Warne in this thread?

Sure, Warne was asked about the record. And Murali was ASKED about Warne's statements.

And secondly, just because Warne was asked about the record, does it mean he could shoot his mouth like that?

 

[honestbharani]

I disagree with almost everything there and instead of posting replies to every point, I'll reiterate, both are guilty. If you're saying it started because the Aussies called Murali a chucker, go back few years, without technology and this joke of a law we have and say: They don't have a case. This is where people in this argument differ. Some actually think that there are folks who call Murali a chucker based on the threat he poses to Warne, rather the fact that they ACTUALLY consider him a chucker.

P.S. What I mean't by 'girlish' (sorry wrong wording) was Murali's passive-aggressive reactions. Warne is an idiot, he isn't political. He'll get himself into strife by saying what he thinks.

so it is Murali's bad that he TRIES to hide his bitter feelings. I am confused.

 

[silentstriker]

LOL. If it was Murali, I know a handful of people who would quickly reply..."Can't you see he's injured, what a travesty! A great sportsman in pain, giving his all, and still mocked."

Sorry to make it seem so demeaning, but it actually does happen.

Odd, Warne seems to get injured quite often on flat wickets. If Murali were injured, most people would actually say, "Well, at least the chucker can't bowl anymore."

Sorry, there is about a hundred times more venom directed at Murali than Warne.

So now its an injury thats preventing him from taking wickets? How convinient.

 

[Ikki]

so it is Murali's bad that he TRIES to hide his bitter feelings. I am confused.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think he's hiding them. Does he use the doe-eyed soft spoken approach? Yes.

 

[honestbharani]

LOL. If it was Murali, I know a handful of people who would quickly reply..."Can't you see he's injured, what a travesty! A great sportsman in pain, giving his all, and still mocked."

Sorry to make it seem so demeaning, but it actually does happen.

Murali has bowled with an injured shoulder (a shoulder strain, nothing too serious, just like Warne) and has done well against Bangladesh and even against West Indies in one series. I haven't seen anyone on this forum jump up for Murali everytime he is accused of something as much as I have seen for Warne.

 

[Ikki]

Odd, Warne seems to get injured quite often on flat wickets. If Murali were injured, most people would actually say, "Well, at least the chucker can't bowl anymore."

Sorry, there is about a hundred times more venom directed at Murali than Warne.

So now its an injury thats preventing him from taking wickets? How convinient.

Either I don't read enough on these forums or have been privy to too many Warne bashers. In every Murali V Warne thread, people go as far as doubting doctors in the insinuation that he was injured in India. I mean...come on!

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

I'm gonna ask you Sean, are you me? Seriously, I can't remember a post of yours that I didn't 100% agree with. Sometimes I even come into the thread to make a post and see you've beaten me to it [ie Bangas being tough at home from now on]

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Yea, and Warne's been correcting that discrepency with the boatload of wickets he's taken so far in Bangladesh, right?

I'm not attempting to defend the comments, merely to point out that the context is quite different from the way people are presenting it.

Personally, I think it is in extremely poor taste to bring flaws in another player's record up as he did. If Warne had said it in a less explicit way, like by saying "well, someone will eventually break my record, probably someone in a weak team who takes the bulk of the wickets for his side, or who plays the weaker international teams a lot more", it wouldn't have been such a problem. I think that Warne went on with it a bit too much, and it seemed really absurd the way he was making it completely obvious who he was talking about but still refusing to mention Murali by name. It was in poor taste, and came across a bit cowardly.

As far as the actual validity of the comments is concerned though, he's right. Murali does take a lot of wickets against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe (moreso against Zimbabwe, actually), and Warne hasn't had the chance to do that. Obviously he has the chance now and hasn't taken it, but then Bangladesh are a lot better now than they have been for the last 5 years, in which time Warne has never played them, just like Zimbabwe are a lot weaker now than they were when Warne played them last in 99. If someone on this board brought it up, I'd agree with them entirely, but I rather wish Warne hadn't done it, for the reasons mentioned.

Having said that, if Warne is in line for criticism for having a go at Murali for taking wickets against weak teams, I think Murali is equally so for bringing up the Indian thing as he does. Yes, fine, he has a better record against India, but I think it's poor form to attack the record of a fellow sportsman just to make yourself feel better about how good you are. And that goes for both Warne and Murali. If necessary, save it until after you've retired to talk up how great you were.

 

[silentstriker]

and then when they came on to bowl, the batsmen just realised it was the end of a long season and decided to get tired and played some lazy shots.

Bangladesh playing better cricket than Australia, even for half a game ??? NO NO

Um, the opposition playing worse than you...thats the definition of playing better cricket, isn't it? No one said Bangladesh has more talent. But if Australia play lazy shots and get out, and Bangladesh play less lazy shots and don't get out, thats called playing better.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Sure, Warne was asked about the record. And Murali was ASKED about Warne's statements.

And secondly, just because Warne was asked about the record, does it mean he could shoot his mouth like that?

See my above post.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

So now its an injury thats preventing him from taking wickets? How convinient.

Case in point...

 

[howardj]

I'm gonna ask you Sean, are you me? Seriously, I can't remember a post of yours that I didn't 100% agree with. Sometimes I even come into the thread to make a post and see you've beaten me to it [ie Bangas being tough at home from now on]

Me too.

 

[silentstriker]

As far as the actual validity of the comments is concerned though, he's right. Murali does take a lot of wickets against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe (moreso against Zimbabwe, actually), and Warne hasn't had the chance to do that. Obviously he has the chance now and hasn't taken it, but then Bangladesh are a lot better now than they have been for the last 5 years, in which time Warne has never played them, just like Zimbabwe are a lot weaker now than they were when Warne played them last in 99.

Oh, so now its not only teams, but the timeframe of the teams too? So it should count against Warne that he's played the English so many times when they couldn't buy a run? Sorry, that sword cuts both ways.

Having said that, if Warne is in line for criticism for having a go at Murali for taking wickets against weak teams, I think Murali is equally so for bringing up the Indian thing as he does. Yes, fine, he has a better record against India, but I think it's poor form to attack the record of a fellow sportsman just to make yourself feel better about how good you are. And that goes for both Warne and Murali. If necessary, save it until after you've retired to talk up how great you were.

Sure, no one is denying they both need to keep their mouth shut. But Murali has to endure a lot more than Warne does (plus he gets laid less than Warne on overseas tours ), and when Warne shoots his mouth off about you, then you must defend yourself. In his position, I would have told Warne to take his fat steroid popping mouth and stick up his ***.