**Official** Australia in Bangladesh

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Yeah, I hear Murali is a pocket-picking jaywalking voodoo witch doctor ...from Mars.

Rubbish. He can't pick pockets with a bent arm.

And on that note, let's simmah dahwn nahw on the Warne v Murali topic. For those who don't watch SNL, let's just ease off the slowly building tension.

 

[chris.hinton]

Lets hope Bangladesh can challenge and beat the West Indies

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Let's hope not. Let's hope the West Indies can leapfrog Sri Lanka (the team I think we're closest to looking up right now) and Bangladesh can beat Sri Lanka.

 

[chris.hinton]

i know it will not happen for a while yet... but i would like to see west indies as a good side not as good as the 70s though

 

[Loony BoB]

I'd like to see 20 sides all playing test quality cricket.

 

[honestbharani]

I'm not really arguing that bro. What is fact is fact, Bangladesh wickets aren't exactly prized wickets. My reply was due to the kind of remarks Warne is getting because of yesterday. Whether or not Warne got wickets, his remarks hold true. Although I'm aware it could have upset a few people.

HIs remarks hold true, alright. That is why it would have been enough had he said it once. Doing it twice = whining. And secondly, it is not something that HE should be telling people. Like I said, Murali bowled with an injured arm to get a 8 fer (I think) against Zim or Bangla on a rather flat track. It is not like he threw the ball up and they got out. And as I pointed out earlier, I would rather have the wickets of Bashar, Ashraful and co than Hoggard, Giles and Harmison etc. And Warne has a higher percentage of those than Murali....

 

[Ikki]

HIs remarks hold true, alright. That is why it would have been enough had he said it once. Doing it twice = whining. And secondly, it is not something that HE should be telling people. Like I said, Murali bowled with an injured arm to get a 8 fer (I think) against Zim or Bangla on a rather flat track. It is not like he threw the ball up and they got out. And as I pointed out earlier, I would rather have the wickets of Bashar, Ashraful and co than Hoggard, Giles and Harmison etc. And Warne has a higher percentage of those than Murali....

At the same time, there have also been instances where Murali has brought up India to detract against Warne. See, this is where I have a problem with it. As a supporter of Warne I do see his flaws, but I also see them of Murali. I'm not pretending either is an angel.

 

[honestbharani]

I predict a warne century.

He already has one.


Oh.......you mean batting?

 

[Jono]

Lol, fair effort there Honest.

 

[honestbharani]

At the same time, there have also been instances where Murali has brought up India to detract against Warne. See, this is where I have a problem with it. As a supporter of Warne I do see his flaws, but I also see them of Murali. I'm not pretending either is an angel.

Where did I say Murali is an angel? Plus, I am not aware of when Murali brought up India in reference to Warne. Can you link me to the articles?


Given that I am not aware of this particular story, is it wrong for me to assume that Murali is a better guy than Warne? I have met both men, talked to them and have followed their careers very closely. Apart from the fact that Murali has a little too much sympathy towards himself, I don't think his character has too many loose ends. I have hardly ever seen him sledge another player, not even when the idiot Emerson called him "Wrongly" for no-balls... I have just seen too many chinks in Warne as a public person. Privately, he might be the greatest guy in the world, but I don't know that.

 

[Dasa]

Where did I say Murali is an angel? Plus, I am not aware of when Murali brought up India in reference to Warne. Can you link me to the articles?


Given that I am not aware of this particular story, is it wrong for me to assume that Murali is a better guy than Warne? I have met both men, talked to them and have followed their careers very closely. Apart from the fact that Murali has a little too much sympathy towards himself, I don't think his character has too many loose ends. I have hardly ever seen him sledge another player, not even when the idiot Emerson called him "Wrongly" for no-balls... I have just seen too many chinks in Warne as a public person. Privately, he might be the greatest guy in the world, but I don't know that.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/crick...er-warne-claims/2005/12/31/1135915726063.html
Not quite the same as what Warne does...

 

[Loony BoB]

And on that note, let's simmah dahwn nahw on the Warne v Murali topic. For those who don't watch SNL, let's just ease off the slowly building tension.

Boy that sounds like a good idea Liam.

 

[Ikki]

Where did I say Murali is an angel? Plus, I am not aware of when Murali brought up India in reference to Warne. Can you link me to the articles?

Let me look, to be honest I saw this on T.V. interview when he was here for the VB series.

I didn't say you thought that. I'm saying, given the dislike of his comments, some people fail to recognise this ongoing rivalry and don't see it's two sided.

Given that I am not aware of this particular story, is it wrong for me to assume that Murali is a better guy than Warne? I have met both men, talked to them and have followed their careers very closely. Apart from the fact that Murali has a little too much sympathy towards himself, I don't think his character has too many loose ends. I have hardly ever seen him sledge another player, not even when the idiot Emerson called him "Wrongly" for no-balls... I have just seen too many chinks in Warne as a public person. Privately, he might be the greatest guy in the world, but I don't know that.

Well then someone, like myself, who has seen both sides go at it (to the extent of my own privilege) I don't throw in too many stones when I know one side is just reacting to what the other side has said. Knowing that, I'm not going to argue anyone's virtue, I myself know I'm imperfect when it comes to argument. I just dislike the assumption that Aussies are wolves and everybody else sheep.

 

[Jono]

See the problem is, Warne is a bit of a jackass, Murali thinks the world is against him, Kumble wears his pants too high and Stuey MacGill is a stiff.

When has anyone ever made a complaint about Nicky Boje as a person is my question? And before Steds comes in here talking about Dave Mohammed, the qualification is you must be an international spinner

 

[Loony BoB]

There are some pretty cool guys on cricbuzz who show up from time to time and they know who the real lords of spin are - Vettori and Boje! Bim bam boom.

 

[Ikki]

Dasa has saved me the trouble. Thanks Dasa.

 

[Jono]

Oh sure.

I just feel he need not have said this. There used to be an equally raging controversy about Sachin and Lara and they were both asked similar questions all the time. I cant recall a single occasion when either of them replied in any manner other than acknowleding the greatness of the other and just refused to say anything remotely negative.

This only enhances their own worth in the eyes of everyone except the fanatics.

That's a very good point IMO. Warne v Murali and Sachin v Lara have been the two biggest player rivalries I can think of in my time watching cricket, and the contrast in how Sachin and Lara behaved compared to Murali and Warne is amazing.

 

[chaminda_00]

See the problem is, Warne is a bit of a jackass, Murali thinks the world is against him, Kumble wears his pants too high and Stuey MacGill is a stiff.

When has anyone ever made a complaint about Nicky Boje as a person is my question? And before Steds comes in here talking about Dave Mohammed, the qualification is you must be an international spinner

Lets add to the list there Vettori wears glasses and Giles is just ugly.

 

[Jono]

There are some pretty cool guys on cricbuzz who show up from time to time and they know who the real lords of spin are - Vettori and Boje! Bim bam boom.

I forgot to add, big bad Daniel Vettori, as cool as he is, doesn't qualify for he wears glasses. The same goes for Giles, but replace glasses with sunnies, and add 'grey hair'.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/crick...er-warne-claims/2005/12/31/1135915726063.html
Not quite the same as what Warne does...

That's not the only time he's mentioned it, though. He just brought it up again to "return fire".

I'm with Kaz on this one. It's fine to criticise Warne, and at times he deserves it because he acts like a fool, but it bothers me that so many people on this forum think it's fine to bash Warne at every opportunity but when people bat an eye the wrong way at Murali they act as if it's a travesty of our time.

Frankly, I have a lot of respect for Murali as a sportsman, but he isn't without his personality flaws either. The fact that he is more soft-spoken and gets less media scrutiny doesn't mean he's perfect.