***Official*** 3rd Test at the WACA

[FaaipDeOiad]

Mahmood is a handy batsman IMO. I don't see any reason he couldn't bat at 8. Has a FC average in the mid teens, and a couple of 50s.

 

[Craig]

It's realism, not pessimism.

If we can lose from the position we were in in the Second Test, then I don't see how we can avoid defeat in any of the remaining games.

Hence the favourite series score is now 5-0.

Can only get 7-4 on that as well

So why not pack up and all head home then right now?

 

[marc71178]

Mahmood is a handy batsman IMO. I don't see any reason he couldn't bat at 8. Has a FC average in the mid teens, and a couple of 50s.

He's the only other option we have - which is why I initially said that this wasn't a case of Giles vs Panesar, but was Giles and Anderson vs Panesar and Mahmood.

That said, his record in FC isn't that great though (average for Lancashire of just over half Giles' for Warwickshire)

Also Giles has 3 tons and 17 half centuries in his time (actually gets to 50 once every 7 knocks for Warwickshire.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

He's the only other option we have - which is why I initially said that this wasn't a case of Giles vs Panesar, but was Giles and Anderson vs Panesar and Mahmood.

That said, his record in FC isn't that great though (average for Lancashire ov just over half Giles' for Warwickshire)

Yeah, but IIRC Brett Lee had a rubbish FC average when he started his career too. I think Mahmood could turn out to be a pretty decent batsman, though he could also go the way of Harmison.

 

[Craig]

Well maybe you'd not have made that comment if you had bothered to read what I've said.

All along I've defended Giles because there was simply nobody around who could do the job he did any better.

There still isn't anyone who can do the number 8 and spin option.

There is however someone who could play as a more attacking spinner (and as either one of a 4 man attack or as the lone spinner in a 5 man attack provided another number 8 comes along)

If I had seen it I would have read it.

 

[Craig]

Mahmood is a handy batsman IMO. I don't see any reason he couldn't bat at 8. Has a FC average in the mid teens, and a couple of 50s.

So did the likes of Darren Gough.

IIRC before the 3rd Test in 2001 in a county game Gough scored 96 for Yorkshire

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

So did the likes of Darren Gough.

IIRC before the 3rd Test in 2001 in a county game Gough scored 96 for Yorkshire

Don't get the point of this post. Gough was a pretty good batsman, made some big scores against Australia in test cricket.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Yeah, Goughy was actually a half decent batsman, that could bat and do well at No.8 in tests.

 

[greg]

Yeah, Goughy was actually a half decent batsman, that could bat and do well at No.8 in tests.

For about a year...

After his injury in Australia and he was caught hooking first ball in his first innings the following summer against Windies, he became a genuine no10/11.

 

[PhoenixFire]

If I'm not mistaken, then Ponting has already scored more runs in 2 tests, than anyone did in the entire 05 series.

 

[Tomm NCCC]

Ive been on Saj's back for a bit, and he has gone for a fair few, but then again, harmison and anderson have pretty much hit rock bottom. He swings the ball, and someone said on the forum that he can produce the ball which will get any batsman out. We havent got anything to lsoe (Well, the ashes) might aswell have a bash.

 

[aussie]

Mahmood can bat no doubt, regularly hits the ball out of the nets..

 

[ash chaulk]

dont worry the Barmy Army Trumpet man can blow his trumpet

 

[spindizzy]

Wonder what England would give for a fully-fit Simon Jones right now...

Don't think he'd make all that much difference to be honest, swing bowlers really only seem to work under English conditions with the duke ball.

The thing that keeps amusing me is the continual calls for Jaques inclusion in the Australian side. He's currently about 30th on batting averages with an average in the low 30s, hardly a huge cry for inclusion. The scores against a warm-up, understrength England count for naught. Rogers would seem a much better replacement as an opener with already a 279 with an average of 91 to his name this season or Ronchi if you want a swap for Martyn. The talk about Jaques seems to be because he's from NSW and that's where the press are centred.

 

[Johnners]

If I'm not mistaken, then Ponting has already scored more runs in 2 tests, than anyone did in the entire 05 series.

I think Pietersen scored 467 last series... ???

 

[Johnners]

Don't think he'd make all that much difference to be honest, swing bowlers really only seem to work under English conditions with the duke ball.

The thing that keeps amusing me is the continual calls for Jaques inclusion in the Australian side. He's currently about 30th on batting averages with an average in the low 30s, hardly a huge cry for inclusion. The scores against a warm-up, understrength England count for naught. Rogers would seem a much better replacement as an opener with already a 279 with an average of 91 to his name this season or Ronchi if you want a swap for Martyn. The talk about Jaques seems to be because he's from NSW and that's where the press are centred.

 

[spindizzy]

Easy to tell where you're from

 

[vic_orthdox]

Easy to tell where you're from

Ditto.

Ronchi for Martyn?

 

[spindizzy]

Alright, more realistically Voges. Or Cosgrove if you want to blood a youngster with a lot of potential. But Jaques? After a decent season last year (top 20 averages), no really big scores in Pura Cup, what is the thinking behind including him? Not seeing any stand-out performances, just solidish. Cosgrove makes a far better case for inclusion.

 

[Johnners]

Easy to tell where you're from

Haha, Queensland (1 to me )

Ronchi for Martyn?? You gotta be kidding me, thats like saying we should swap Beau Casson for Shane Warne

As for the Rogers/Jaques argument.... Rogers is a good FC player, who's been made look great thanks to the road at the WACA for the past few seasons. Jaques on the other hand has crunched all comers on a vast variety of wickets.

Need i remind you of a Double Century & Century in the same FC match against India A earlier in the year. Add to that quite a few centuries in county cricket, 2 centuries against England in successive matches and i think it's fair to say that he's got it all over Rogers.