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***Official*** 2nd Test at Adelaide

Spark

Global Moderator
That would be terrible.
Oh, probably. But I don't think moving Root to 3 is the best idea, but Vince looks a risk of 1 down = 2 down whenever he bats IMO, and even in this innings I do not feel particularly confident about Root starting against full, fast bowling with any movement. He's just too eager to drive early on before his feet are going, and is a risk on both edges, so I'd definitely shield him at 4 a bit.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
3 always becomes a huge problematic spot when the opening partnership is struggling. Seriously need somebody solid with strong mental ability.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
In another year, Hameed and Jennings will come in and people will try and forget Vince and Malan ever were allowed to play for England.
 

Pothas

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Oh, probably. But I don't think moving Root to 3 is the best idea, but Vince looks a risk of 1 down = 2 down whenever he bats IMO, and even in this innings I do not feel particularly confident about Root starting against full, fast bowling with any movement. He's just too eager to drive early on before his feet are going, and is a risk on both edges, so I'd definitely shield him at 4 a bit.
Moeen would be exactly the same risk as Vince though really. Thing with Moeen is that he always gets shunted around because him failing in a position seems less serious because he is getting the team for his bowling anyway but it does him no good whatsoever and it never actually helps the team either. Moeen has been great for England at 7 or 8 and he should never move from those positions ever again.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Moeen would be exactly the same risk as Vince though really. Thing with Moeen is that he always gets shunted around because him failing in a position seems less serious because he is getting the team for his bowling anyway but it does him no good whatsoever and it never actually helps the team either. Moeen has been great for England at 7 or 8 and he should never move from those positions ever again.
I don't want to move Bairstow either though. Not really great options there, it seems.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
In another year, Hameed and Jennings will come in and people will try and forget Vince and Malan ever were allowed to play for England.
Why is Jennings suddenly being mentioned again?

Hameed, Clarke and Lawrence possibly but it is obviously pretty much wishful thinking at this stage.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah I don't see what it is in Moeen's game that solves the issue we have with Vince at 3. Really you want someone who can chew up balls and shield Root, Bairstow and the rest. If we clone Stoneman I'd use him there, even if he's hardly been spectacular.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Yeah I don't see what it is in Moeen's game that solves the issue we have with Vince at 3. Really you want someone who can chew up balls and shield Root, Bairstow and the rest. If we clone Stoneman I'd use him there, even if he's hardly been spectacular.
I mean really what you want is someone who scores runs, how they score them is immaterial.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Oh, probably. But I don't think moving Root to 3 is the best idea, but Vince looks a risk of 1 down = 2 down whenever he bats IMO, and even in this innings I do not feel particularly confident about Root starting against full, fast bowling with any movement. He's just too eager to drive early on before his feet are going, and is a risk on both edges, so I'd definitely shield him at 4 a bit.
Ali is actually good down the order though. I don't think Vince is especially more likely to score runs at 5-8 than 3-4, but Moeen is.

I'd just leave it how it is. It's not a great batting lineup but shuffling it around isn't going to change that. If Vince is going to move from three he should probably move out of the side entirely.
 

BigBeefy

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Baylis says no personnel changes for Perth. Sums it all up really.

I know they bowled well in Adelaide but this attack will not work in Perth. We will get annihilated there unless we change personnel.

I'd fly Alex Hales in immediately for some aggression (and right handed) to open and start things off positively. We could also bring Buttler in as WK and move Bairstow to 3 or 4. We would still have a dangerous lower order (Buttler-Ali-Woakes) but we would give Bairstow the time to build an innings.

Can't believe we haven't got a quick bowler for Perth, beggars belief. Who are these fuddy duddy selectors?!
 

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