*Official* 2022 New Zealand Tour of England, Ireland, Scotland & Netherlands

[Bahnz]

Can't believe this lot won the first WTC

First WTC in a nutshell.

 

[nzfan]

The first test match will be challenging for us. Kind of start the first test, even stevens with England also at 50%

I think we'll get into thick of things by the second. I reckon it's a 2-1 for us or 1-1 with a draw.

How did I get it so wrong? It's sitting at 2-0 to England and have to start believing it could be 3-0 to England in all likelihood.

We have had our moments in both tests but stuffed up.

Third loss in a row if you include the tour match vs a county side.

 

[NZTailender]

How did I get it so wrong? It's sitting at 2-0 to England and have to start believing it could be 3-0 to England in all likelihood.

We have had our moments in both tests but stuffed up.

Third loss in a row if you include the tour match vs a county side.

4 including South Africa.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

How did I get it so wrong? It's sitting at 2-0 to England and have to start believing it could be 3-0 to England in all likelihood.

We have had our moments in both tests but stuffed up.

Third loss in a row if you include the tour match vs a county side.

Both Tests were very much in the balance going into the final session in each game. Just a clutch 4th innings knock both times to settle it.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Please, NO @nzfan! Now is the time that we need your optimism. I don't want to crash into a pit of despair quite yet.

 

[nzfan]

4 including South Africa.

I don't think we have won a test series in a year now. Lost to India, drew vs Bangladesh, drew vs South Africa and loss to England. Can't remember when we last had this sort of results. I can take 1-0 vs India that's expected and likely we over performed but the rest hard to fathom.

I think we were in the driving seat in both the test matches but then Root and Bairstow happened.

 

[nzfan]

Please, NO @nzfan! Now is the time that we need your optimism. I don't want to crash into a pit of despair quite yet.

Not everything is bad, Conway is still gun, Mitchell and Blundell have been fanstastic, Boult has found his mojo and so has Jamieson. On the downside dependable Kane and Latham have had some downs but you expect them to be back up and firing.

I think our management has gone a bit stale. Need fresh ideas but same personnel.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah in seriousness, in both matches at x/4 NZ were probably favourites. But by the time it was /5 England were clear faves.

 

[Skyliner]

Latham will be ‘back up and firing’ as soon as he is back on home turf, facing up to Sri Lanka at Hagley. Big runs, and all the plaudits and superlatives will get trotted out once again. ‘Mysterious’ how his form ebbs and wanes, but he’s always ‘reliable’ at Hagley against his favoured opponents.
The Aussies know how to put big bully boy runs in proper context, they won’t be ranking Voges and Hodge alongside Bradman any time soon.

 

[trundler]

Latham will be ‘back up and firing’ as soon as he is back on home turf, facing up to Sri Lanka at Hagley. Big runs, and all the plaudits and superlatives will get trotted out once again. ‘Mysterious’ how his form ebbs and wanes, but he’s always ‘reliable’ at Hagley against his favoured opponents.
The Aussies know how to put big bully boy runs in proper context, they won’t be ranking Voges and Hodge alongside Bradman any time soon.

That's because they've had more than 2 world class cricketers in a century

 

[Skyliner]

This NZ team are drifting, and a few notable individual performances can’t mask the malaise. The deeply conservative Stead is out of ideas, and the leadership is just not there from Williamson and Latham at the moment, for differing reasons.

 

[nzfan]

Latham will be ‘back up and firing’ as soon as he is back on home turf, facing up to Sri Lanka at Hagley. Big runs, and all the plaudits and superlatives will get trotted out once again. ‘Mysterious’ how his form ebbs and wanes, but he’s always ‘reliable’ at Hagley against his favoured opponents.
The Aussies know how to put big bully boy runs in proper context, they won’t be ranking Voges and Hodge alongside Bradman any time soon.

I think we have 2 test matches vs Pakistan later this year and then Sri Lanka and England at home for 2 test matches each so no it's not just going to be Sri Lanka he will have to cope with but has good challenges coming his way.

 

[Bahnz]

Kinda don't think Jamieson's injury made that much of a difference. We all know his T20 track record. Bairstow would've absolutely moidered him. NZ needed a Ferguson to try and induce a top top-edged slog.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Latham will be ‘back up and firing’ as soon as he is back on home turf, facing up to Sri Lanka at Hagley. Big runs, and all the plaudits and superlatives will get trotted out once again. ‘Mysterious’ how his form ebbs and wanes, but he’s always ‘reliable’ at Hagley against his favoured opponents.
The Aussies know how to put big bully boy runs in proper context, they won’t be ranking Voges and Hodge alongside Bradman any time soon.

Hodge?

 

[Burgey]

Kinda don't think Jamieson's injury made that much of a difference. We all know his T20 track record. Bairstow would've absolutely moidered him. NZ needed a Ferguson to try and induce a top top-edged slog.

Nah it absolutely makes a difference in terms of flat out removing an option for the captain. Whether he’d have stemmed it or taken a few wickets, who knows. But he couldn’t have gone for any more than most of the blokes who were bowling.

Fmd 300 in two sessions on the last day. Simply should never happen unless you’re playing a genuine minnow/ second tier outfit. And for all their issues atm, nz ain’t that.

 

[Bahnz]

Say what you like about Baz as a coach, but there's no way England would've had a bar of that chase a year ago.

 

[GIMH]

Nah it absolutely makes a difference in terms of flat out removing an option for the captain. Whether he’d have stemmed it or taken a few wickets, who knows. But he couldn’t have gone for any more than most of the blokes who were bowling.

Fmd 300 in two sessions on the last day. Simply should never happen unless you’re playing a genuine minnow/ second tier outfit. And for all their issues atm, nz ain’t that.

All signs point to England being the best team of all time

 

[Burgey]

I thought their effort of scrambling a draw in one of the tests out here last summer had already proven that

 

[GIMH]

I thought their effort of scrambling a draw in one of the tests out here last summer had already proven that

We played NZ and India last summer as I recall

 

[nzfan]

Nah it absolutely makes a difference in terms of flat out removing an option for the captain. Whether he’d have stemmed it or taken a few wickets, who knows. But he couldn’t have gone for any more than most of the blokes who were bowling.

Fmd 300 in two sessions on the last day. Simply should never happen unless you’re playing a genuine minnow/ second tier outfit. And for all their issues atm, nz ain’t that.

Bowling plans were all over the place last night. First we spread the field and let Bairstow and Stokes rotate the strike quite comfortably. Left/right combination messing up our bowlers' lines. Bowled short after short after short and took too long to realize it is not working. We didn't even try to plug runs by say bowling defensively. We just bowled in their arc. Of course Bairstow played an inning to remember and Stokes very measured.

For some reason we all believed Bracewell will knock over Stokes and spin us to victory bowling in the rough. Don't think he even landed one ball in the rough. The first inning sample wasn't enough and pretty much Stokes threw it away rather than the quality of bowling that got him.

It's not his fault Bracewell was expected to win it for us as the 4th bowler. Our management put that enormous burden on him in the very first test. He's doing his best with whatever skills he has acquired. He can still bowl in white ball but to bowl to quality batters in test cricket it's not going to be a walk in the park. Finding that length as a spinner with drift, loop and turn takes a lot of bowling and years of honing the skills. He's likely 5 years away from peaking in bowling but then it will be time for him to retire. Just hoping they don't screw up his white ball chances. He could be pretty good white ball player. He can be a reasonable back up batter but hoping he doesn't start thinking he needs to be CDG or Stokes right away. Still a pretty reasonable debut. There is a lot to like as a whole package.