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**Official** 2005 Lions tour of New Zealand

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Great! The ABs are down to 14 players & still carve us up. Great line from Smith, but a pi$$-weak attempt at a tackle by Murphy. :@
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
JASON said:
But the numbers won't be as high as the current 10,000 -20,000 range , when the next Lions Team tours Southern Hemisphere !!
I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same numbers.

It's also an opportunity to see the country, something I think a lot of people want to do.
 

Craig

World Traveller
3-0 to the AB's in the end.

What is it with the Lions taking a penalty when Umaga was binned, could they not have backed themselves and go for a try?
 

PY

International Coach
I bet Saints fans are bashing their heads against the wall and wondering when they'll see top flight football again. :p
 

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
Blaze said:
So the All Blacks should win by 30 then?
As usual I was wrong !! :D

Great performance by the ABs, particularly to score 14 points (2 converted tries) when down to 14 with Tana Umaga sin binned. The Lions were struggling to keep up from thereon and they were kept in the game by Jonathan Kaplan to some extent and Stu Dickinson (touch judge) -who brought out a few controversial calls against the ABs resulting in 1 try being disallowed and a penalty being turned around etc.

But otherwise the game would have become too boring and one sided !!

What a fab solo try by Rico Gear at the end !!

I think Lions will find it hard to take many positives from this tour. Felt sorry for their fans who deserved better and Sir Clive has no excuse for wasting the amount of money he did to take a 3/0 drubbing . I hope their home unions will analyse his performance and expenditure incurred thoroughly and get more accountability from him .
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
JASON said:
I think Lions will find it hard to take many positives from this tour. Felt sorry for their fans who deserved better and Sir Clive has no excuse for wasting the amount of money he did to take a 3/0 drubbing . I hope their home unions will analyse his performance and expenditure incurred thoroughly and get more accountability from him .
You've clearly put an erroneous "m" at the start of "any"..... :p

Seriously tho, Ryan Jones and.........nope, that's it.
 

PY

International Coach
Feel sorry for the Lions fans, as a group they've supposedly spent $250 million for this tour including travel and suchlike to watch that display.
 

Sir Redman

State Vice-Captain
Stupid poxy scummy work! I only caught the last 10 minutes of the game and was bloody surprised when I heard we'd had 2 players sinbinned. I'm trying to watch it on tv 3 now but its just not the same
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
nibbs said:
the lions were definitely let down by their english players...
Yeah, that's right. Geordan Murphy & Dwayne Peel are both as English as John Bull & Lewis Moody is a well known non-Englishman....

The Englishmen at fault are Sir Clive, Alistair "F*cking" Campbell & (to a lesser extent) Andy Robinson.
 

nibbs

International Captain
Sir Redman said:
Stupid poxy scummy work! I only caught the last 10 minutes of the game and was bloody surprised when I heard we'd had 2 players sinbinned. I'm trying to watch it on tv 3 now but its just not the same
hhaha, hamish mckay wrecks it, with his inability as a commentator.
 

nibbs

International Captain
BoyBrumby said:
Yeah, that's right. Geordan Murphy & Dwayne Peel are both as English as John Bull & Lewis Moody is a well known non-Englishman....
boybrumby, the lions got better when sir clive selected fewer englishmen, more irish and more welsh players. definitely worth noting
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
nibbs said:
boybrumby, the lions got better when sir clive selected fewer englishmen, more irish and more welsh players. definitely worth noting
I'm not denying that for one second, but no professional sportsmen is ever going to turn round as say "Sorry boss, I think you should pick X ahead of me, I'm not up to it just now.". The buck stops with Sir Clive: he selected the teams (with a very one-eyed pro-English bias, admittedly) so he has to take responsibility.

He's f*cked up before now, of course (99WC Quarter-final when he picked Paul Grayson ahead of Jonny having said "Judge me on the world cup" & several Grand Slam deciders) but all was forgiven after 2003. We'll have to see how he goes in Football.
 

Sir Redman

State Vice-Captain
nibbs said:
hhaha, hamish mckay wrecks it, with his inability as a commentator.
Yep, he's a moron that one.

Oh and Jason, you're lucky there isn't a Lions tour prediction thread. You'd be on about -500 by now :D
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
BoyBrumby said:
I'm not denying that for one second, but no professional sportsmen is ever going to turn round as say "Sorry boss, I think you should pick X ahead of me, I'm not up to it just now.". The buck stops with Sir Clive: he selected the teams (with a very one-eyed pro-English bias, admittedly) so he has to take responsibility.

He's f*cked up before now, of course (99WC Quarter-final when he picked Paul Grayson ahead of Jonny having said "Judge me on the world cup" & several Grand Slam deciders) but all was forgiven after 2003. We'll have to see how he goes in Football.
he never said 'judge me on the world cup',thats a hugely mis read quote.

he said 'whether we like it our not,coaches are always judged on how well they do in world cups'.

clive was always going to be too ambitious for a lions tour,what he did with england took 5 hard years,he had 6 months with the lions and it shows.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
open365 said:
he never said 'judge me on the world cup',thats a hugely mis read quote.

he said 'whether we like it our not,coaches are always judged on how well they do in world cups'.

clive was always going to be too ambitious for a lions tour,what he did with england took 5 hard years,he had 6 months with the lions and it shows.
Well regardless of the wording I think the implication was the same: he was the coach, about to play in a world cup, coaches are judged on how they perform in world cups....

SCW has made a rod for his back with his unorthodoxy; when it comes off he looks like a forward-thinking radical, when he comes unstuck he looks a fool. Taking Campbell has gotta be seen as a gross error of judgement now. He isn't a Rugby man &, whether he likes it or not, comes with a lot of negative baggage.

I have to be honest tho & say I doubt whether any Lions coach could've overcome the ABs with the personnel they have just now; they really are looked different gravy at the moment.
 

shaka

International Regular
all hail the sweep, awesome result for AB's, bad farewell for Sir Clive, so all kiwis are extremely happy at the moment.
 

KennyD

International Vice-Captain
Anyone pick up the Aust SA match? 30-12 to Australia.

Larkham another MoM award, his 2nd in 2 games...was absolutely brilliant.
 

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