***Offical*** English Football Season 2004/05

[vasetti12]

Sticking behind someone blindly does not equal true fan. Having the team's best interests at heart does.

No it does not...Im not stciking behind them blindly neither....Having the best team does not count that just means you are a glory hunter...I guess you are from what you are telling me

 

[Tom Halsey]

I am from Essex... my dad is from Manchester, supports them as a result, so I support them as a result. Been there, done that.

And yes you are sticking behind them blindly considering they visibly do nothing but watch us fall.

 

[Neil Pickup]

What is true support?

Being blind to weaknesses - because Djemba Djemba, Miller and Kleberson clearly are/were?

It's perfectly compatible to be a true supporter of a club and make out-of-game criticisms of players. One of our wingers/attacking midfielders has scored none in 45 games this season. It's a perfectly legitimate suggestion that Les can't bloody shoot - but whenever he gets the ball I'm on the toes of my feet, heart in mouth - before having to duck the resulting shank.

Your "don't criticise ever" approach seems awfully amit-esque (search the site).

Fact - last night was desperate and the lapses in discipline were woefully unprofessional.
Fact - the youth academy hasn't produced anyone in eight years.
Fact - most of your recent buys have either been massively expensive can't-fail, or rubbish
Fact - you haven't been in the title race since October at the latest
Fact - your younger players can't beat a bunch of kids and veterans from Exeter
Fact - you've won one European knock-out clash since 1999 (not including qualifiers)

There are more, but I can't be bothered.

 

[vasetti12]

I am from Essex... my dad is from Manchester, supports them as a result, so I support them as a result. Been there, done that.

And yes you are sticking behind them blindly considering they visibly do nothing but watch us fall.

And how do you figure...How the hell do you know what im feeling for Man u..I am really passionate about Man u..why would i support them blindly i stick with them thick or thin no matter what..even if they get relegated....It does not matter if you have a wonder team...as real madrid a perfect example of that...top class players and where are they.....errmmm 2nd...

 

[vasetti12]

What is true support?

Being blind to weaknesses - because Djemba Djemba, Miller and Kleberson clearly are/were?

It's perfectly compatible to be a true supporter of a club and make out-of-game criticisms of players. One of our wingers/attacking midfielders has scored none in 45 games this season. It's a perfectly legitimate suggestion that Les can't bloody shoot - but whenever he gets the ball I'm on the toes of my feet, heart in mouth - before having to duck the resulting shank.

Your "don't criticise ever" approach seems awfully amit-esque (search the site).

Fact - last night was desperate and the lapses in discipline were woefully unprofessional.
Fact - the youth academy hasn't produced anyone in eight years.
Fact - most of your recent buys have either been massively expensive can't-fail, or rubbish
Fact - you haven't been in the title race since October at the latest
Fact - your younger players can't beat a bunch of kids and veterans from Exeter
Fact - you've won one European knock-out clash since 1999 (not including qualifiers)

There are more, but I can't be bothered.

I did not mention dejmba dejmba in my squad neither did i mention miller...i mentioned kleberson..and i am unaware that he might have left the club

 

[Link]

And how do you figure...How the hell do you know what im feeling for Man u..I am really passionate about Man u..why would i support them blindly i stick with them thick or thin no matter what..even if they get relegated....It does not matter if you have a wonder team...as real madrid a perfect example of that...top class players and where are they.....errmmm 2nd...

ohhhhhh touchy are we now. Real Madrid are not the wonder team no more, they are not filled up with galacticos. Casillas is the last remaining one.

 

[vasetti12]

ohhhhhh touchy are we now. Real Madrid are not the wonder team no more, they are not filled up with galacticos. Casillas is the last remaining one.

yeah, michel owen, beckham, gravison, ronaldo, raul they are still quality aint they aint they?

 

[Neil Pickup]

I did not mention dejmba dejmba in my squad neither did i mention miller...i mentioned kleberson..and i am unaware that he might have left the club

Answer my points. You also mentioned Lee Roche, who plays for Burnley.

 

[Tom Halsey]

And how do you figure...How the hell do you know what im feeling for Man u..I am really passionate about Man u..why would i support them blindly i stick with them thick or thin no matter what..even if they get relegated....It does not matter if you have a wonder team...as real madrid a perfect example of that...top class players and where are they.....errmmm 2nd...

If Ferguson gets us relegated, you will still believe he is the best? Give me a break.

Real Madrid don't have a team... they have individuals.

 

[vasetti12]

Answer my points. You also mentioned Lee Roche, who plays for Burnley.

Isnt he on loan? not sure...ok ok..nvr mind about roche...we have richardson, rosse etc good youngsters.....

 

[vasetti12]

If Ferguson gets us relegated, you will still believe he is the best? Give me a break.

Real Madrid don't have a team... they have individuals.

If ferguson gets us relegated which i doubt he i would still support united and the manager..the thing im worried about if alwex leaves and some other bloke comes in then tyou should be worried

 

[Tom Halsey]

I'd still support United if we were relegated. I wouldn't blindly say Ferguson is the best.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Isnt he on loan? not sure...ok ok..nvr mind about roche...we have richardson, rosse etc good youngsters.....

He signed for Burnley in June 2003!!

Rossi has played all of, what, two games as sub in the Carling Cup, and Richardson is equally if not more likely to become another Ben Thornely than another Ryan Giggs.

Crucially, United have lost the air of invincibility that they had half a decade ago. Teams were a goal down psychologically running out outside the Stretford End, now teams go there and believe they can win. And they do.

 

[vasetti12]

I'd still support United if we were relegated. I wouldn't blindly say Ferguson is the best.

Im not saying alex is the best all im saying is you should not give him such criticism...he has a young team to play with and he is doing his best to gel them togther helping the club for future generations, to win the title next season or the season after...things come to those who wait youll see...

 

[vasetti12]

He signed for Burnley in June 2003!!

Rossi has played all of, what, two games as sub in the Carling Cup, and Richardson is equally if not more likely to become another Ben Thornely than another Ryan Giggs.

Crucially, United have lost the air of invincibility that they had half a decade ago. Teams were a goal down psychologically running out outside the Stretford End, now teams go there and believe they can win. And they do.

yeah but they are player to look foward too in the near future...you cant just stay in the present with footy...looking to the future is good..its not a bad thing..im sure exeter are looking for good young players from their acedemy to brighten up their future in the game.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Im not saying alex is the best all im saying is you should not give him such criticism...he has a young team to play with and he is doing his best to gel them togther helping the club for future generations, to win the title next season or the season after...things come to those who wait youll see...

If he does naff all, I'm going to give him criticism.

 

[Neil Pickup]

We don't have an academy. We have youth teams, and half of our first team squad are locally born, which is a clear indicator of success for what we want. It's not comparable to United, who haven't produced a single young player who has "made it" into their regular first XI at any point since Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and the Nevilles. A couple of predictions - Rossi to end up in Serie B or C1, and Richardson at someone like Huddersfield, Bradford, Barnsley or Oldham.

That's eight years, no end products, just a bunch of cast-offs (one of whom, incidentally, is now back at his home town club Exeter). If football's about the future, what the bloody hell was Ferguson doing two-three years ago to get them into this state - it's six years since Barcelona, there's no excuses available.

For Man Utd, it's first or nowhere. This just isn't good enough, and Ferguson has no one else to blame (despite the fact that he's still having a go at match officials after two cast-iron red cards.

 

[Tom Halsey]

We don't have an academy. We have youth teams, and half of our first team squad are locally born, which is a clear indicator of success for what we want. It's not comparable to United, who haven't produced a single young player who has "made it" into their regular first XI at any point since Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and the Nevilles. A couple of predictions - Rossi to end up in Serie B or C1, and Richardson at someone like Huddersfield, Bradford, Barnsley or Oldham.

That's eight years, no end products, just a bunch of cast-offs (one of whom, incidentally, is now back at his home town club Exeter). If football's about the future, what the bloody hell was Ferguson doing two-three years ago to get them into this state - it's six years since Barcelona, there's no excuses available.

For Man Utd, it's first or nowhere. This just isn't good enough, and Ferguson has no one else to blame (despite the fact that he's still having a go at match officials after two cast-iron red cards.

Agree with all except that I don't think he had a go at match officials about those red cards in all fairness.

 

[vasetti12]

If he does naff all, I'm going to give him criticism.

ok fare point but i dont blame him for our progress ok maybe in the middle half of the season when he was swaping the teamm around alot then yes but the way i see it no manger could take his place and do better with the team we have.....

 

[superkingdave]

Richardson will not end up at Oldham