Gaijin-san
Banned
No need for that, Nibblet. In the current season, no team is 'running rampant' in the ING or Pura cups.
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NSW...can they compete at international leveL?
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Gaijin-san
Banned
Burn in hell.Samuel_Vimes said:
mavric41
State Vice-Captain
I would pick a full strength Qld team to do better than NSW.
1. M.Hayden
2. J.Maher
3. M.Love
4. S.Law
5. A.Symonds
6. L.Carseldine/C.Perren
7. W.Secombe
8. A.Bichel
9. A.Nofke
10. N.Hauritz
11. M.Kasprowicz
12. J.Dawes
We have a pair of proper openers, 3 of the top 4 batsmen are averaging over 50 in test cricket, a world class keeper (unlike haddin) and the finest current domestic attack in the world.
Only weakness is the number 6 spot. When we get Shane Watson back from Tassie that will be solved. All other players have played for Australia in some form of cricket.
How exciting would the pura cup be if all the state teams would be at full strength. It would have alot closer and more exciting contests than many of the international teams that tour.
1. M.Hayden
2. J.Maher
3. M.Love
4. S.Law
5. A.Symonds
6. L.Carseldine/C.Perren
7. W.Secombe
8. A.Bichel
9. A.Nofke
10. N.Hauritz
11. M.Kasprowicz
12. J.Dawes
We have a pair of proper openers, 3 of the top 4 batsmen are averaging over 50 in test cricket, a world class keeper (unlike haddin) and the finest current domestic attack in the world.
Only weakness is the number 6 spot. When we get Shane Watson back from Tassie that will be solved. All other players have played for Australia in some form of cricket.
How exciting would the pura cup be if all the state teams would be at full strength. It would have alot closer and more exciting contests than many of the international teams that tour.
Gaijin-san
Banned
No they aren't. Only two of them have played test cricket, only one of them is averaging over 50.mavric41 said:
Again, no. Seccombe is not world class. That is unrefined crap.mavric41 said:
Gaijin-san
Banned
He said 'world class', so what he meant is irrelevant. What he said was wrong.
NSW won both titles last year, so Queensland's long standing reign as champions is about as relevant now as the 1973 title holders.
NSW won both titles last year, so Queensland's long standing reign as champions is about as relevant now as the 1973 title holders.
mavric41
State Vice-Captain
Three of them have played test cricket - Hayden, Love, Law (1 test) - but I did mean first class cricket.furious_ged said:
With regards to Secombe - who in the world is a better wicketkeeper at at least the first class level. (not batsman- keeper)
FIRST-CLASS
(1992/93 - 2003/04; last updated 02/12/2003)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 101 148 26 3179 151 26.05 4 10 459 17
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luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Gaijin-san
Banned
Freakin' anyone.mavric41 said:
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
dachshundmarc71178 said:
oh, sorry. Wrong thread.
Gaijin-san
Banned
Law isn't too fantastic.. His first class average, granted, is 50 and a half, however his average in England is 60-odd, which certainly lessens your claim of him being so good, as his Australian performances therefore aren't as great as one might believe, and most people inflate their averages in England.
With Seccombe, I don't really know how you can back up your claims that he is a world class keeper. It's pretty hard to distinguish big gaps between good keepers, as most keepers will do a very good job. That is why these days so many keeper's batting comes into things, which is where Seccombe falls down, because there are MANY players better than he.
With Seccombe, I don't really know how you can back up your claims that he is a world class keeper. It's pretty hard to distinguish big gaps between good keepers, as most keepers will do a very good job. That is why these days so many keeper's batting comes into things, which is where Seccombe falls down, because there are MANY players better than he.
mavric41
State Vice-Captain
The inflation of averages can also be applied to most of the NSW team (except for Slater who failed in English county cricket) so that comment is hardly relevant.furious_ged said:
You keep saying there are MANY players better than Secombe yet you have not mentioned any or bothered to show their records. If you are only as good as your last game Secombe's last game against SA in Adelaide was 67no and 115 and 7 catches. The guy averages over 4 and half dismissals per game. It is generally accepted by most cricketing judges that Secombe is the best keeper in Australia based purely on skill with Darren Berry a close second. Gilchrist's huge bonus to the Australian side is his ability with the bat which far outweighs any of his shortcomings as a keeper. What is your problem with the Secombe?
Gaijin-san
Banned
My problem with him, is that it seems silly to rate Seccombe as you do. It's not like his dismissals are brought about by his own keeping, it's the bowler's dismissals, it's just his job to hang onto them. I think you'll find that most keepers will hold onto their chances, so keepers should be rated in one of two ways; good or not good. There are many good keepers who are much better bats then Seccombe, therefore are of more use, therefore making a better contribution to a team. It is the TEAM this thread is about, not keepers. If Haddin is going to hang onto most of his chances, and be better than Seccombe with the bat, then that is one advantage for NSW over Queensland.
You spelt 'Queensland' wrong. :Pmavric41 said:
mavric41
State Vice-Captain
Haddin
FIRST-CLASS
(1999/00 - 2003/04; last updated 02/12/2003)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
44 77 8 2195 117 31.81 73.06 2 13 112 10
Secombe
FIRST-CLASS
(1992/93 - 2003/04; last updated 02/12/2003)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
101 148 26 3179 151 26.05 4 10 459 17
Haddin - slightly better batsman
Secombe - much better keeper
I'd rather have a keeper who took almost 2 more catches per match rather than 5 runs per match. It helps the TEAM more.
FIRST-CLASS
(1999/00 - 2003/04; last updated 02/12/2003)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
44 77 8 2195 117 31.81 73.06 2 13 112 10
Secombe
FIRST-CLASS
(1992/93 - 2003/04; last updated 02/12/2003)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
101 148 26 3179 151 26.05 4 10 459 17
Haddin - slightly better batsman
Secombe - much better keeper
I'd rather have a keeper who took almost 2 more catches per match rather than 5 runs per match. It helps the TEAM more.
Gaijin-san
Banned
Haddin is more positive and has a better effect anyway.
I don't see how Seccombe can be a 'much better keeper', Haddin is pretty good so how much better can Seccombe be? I don't think it matters that much.
This average catch thing is just ****, mate. Perhaps NSW bowlers have a higher percentage of dismissals not involving the keeper, I'll leave you to find that one out. But Seccombe does not MAKE these catches, as neither does Haddin. All the keeper can do is take what comes to him, which is what I've seen Haddin do.
I don't see how Seccombe can be a 'much better keeper', Haddin is pretty good so how much better can Seccombe be? I don't think it matters that much.
This average catch thing is just ****, mate. Perhaps NSW bowlers have a higher percentage of dismissals not involving the keeper, I'll leave you to find that one out. But Seccombe does not MAKE these catches, as neither does Haddin. All the keeper can do is take what comes to him, which is what I've seen Haddin do.
mavric41
State Vice-Captain
Exactly. Secombe tends to take those half chances better than most which is my point.furious_ged said:
Haddin is by no means a bad player (very good actually) but on comparison by watching them both over several years Secombe is a better wicketkeeper and tends to make less mistakes and is more likely to grab those spectacular chances. This also inspires the bowlers to bowl better in knowing that their efforts will be rewarded.