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Muttiah Muralitharan vs Ian Botham
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sayon basak
International Vice-Captain
Top 5:-
Sobers
Imran
Kallis
Miller
Botham
Not sure whom I can rate higher.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
The answer is always Jadeja.
sayon basak
International Vice-Captain
I thought Jadeja and Woakes were not considered in these silly comparisons.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Hoggard for his batting.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Probably Procter if you want to give FC more importance and ignore Tests, or Faulkner if you are feeling like cricket peaked in Golden age or Hadlee giving primary more focus or Pollock giving primary more focus but less focus the previous case or Warn...... Oh, silly me, almost said that name again.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Dude...
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Another vote
CW's Top 30 Spinners: 2022 Results
Once again, I have summarised the lists by adding relevant stats to promote discussion. Here are the results: The List Tests Wickets Average S.R. E.R. W.P.M. 1. Muttiah Muralitharan 133 800 22.73 55.05 2.48 6.02 2. Shane Warne 145 708 25.42 57.49 2.65 4.89 3. Bill O'Reilly 27 144 22.60...
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
If impact, then Hadlee.
sayon basak
International Vice-Captain
Tbh if impact is considered more than balance, Bradman it is.
Migara
International Coach
There are specialist players who have way more impact. Even Sanga and Gilchrist have more impact than Botham.
Let's see.
Imran, Sobers, Bradman, Kallis, Gilchrist, Sangakkara, Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Muralitharan,
Steyn, Ambrose, Tendulkar, Richards, Pollock, Lara, Flower, Miller, Ponting, Barnes, O'Riely, Warne
I can name another ten. All these people are Legends in their primary discipline, where they have won matches more times than all rounders doing with any of their disciplines, or ATG primary discipline plus great in secondary discipline.
Migara
International Coach
Even if you count Bradman as two batsmen, bowling all rounders easily achieve the feat of equal impact.
sayon basak
International Vice-Captain
What does Impact have to do anything with all rounders? If we are talking about impact only, then that would not stay as an AR discussion anymore.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
It sounds like something Kyear2 will say and get absolutely angry over on hearing; that some all-rounders can match Bradman.
sayon basak
International Vice-Captain
If someone says that Botham being a top 5 AR is debatable, he should back that up by debating about actual AR's that are better, not by saying impact and then present some specialists that weren't even AR's.
(And I agree that specialists are more impactful than balanced AR's).
(And I agree that specialists are more impactful than balanced AR's).
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PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Not ridiculous to rate Kapil, Ashwin, Jadeja, Hadlee, and Pollock higher than Botham
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Migara
International Coach
Greatness comes from the impact the player makes on the game. Whether they are all rounders or not is immaterial.
kyear2
International Coach
There seems to be a perceived correlation between all rounder rankings and player rankings.Botham is a top 5 all rounder tho
But yeah. Murali is easily and way ahead. Not close in my opinion.
kyear2
International Coach
Yeah
Think it's
Maco, Pigeon, Paddles then Steyn and possibly Ambrose before we get to the two spinners. Ambrose probably can fall ahead or behind though, less sure about that one.